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« on: November 08, 2010, 04:50:36 PM »
a 14th century bronze seal with a rampant lion ,found not far from Chirk on the welsh border
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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2010, 05:55:58 PM »
Another beautiful find - well done jmhammered. Have you tried to figure out the legend yet? Try and take a photo of it impressed in wax or even blue tack and I am sure someone on here can help decipher it.

Thats a cracker and been high on my wish list for years.

Great find
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2010, 06:13:30 PM »
welldone mr hammered great find butty.
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2010, 07:15:29 PM »
That`s a Smasher, well saved Fella !  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2010, 07:59:52 PM »
A very impressive find well done... Cool
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2010, 09:16:13 PM »
looks like " DERBRVOYS*DOHVOE" on a mirror image
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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2010, 12:36:05 AM »
congratulations m8 thats a really nice find, that ones on my wish list  Cheesy
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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2010, 04:27:47 PM »
i had 1 of these a few weeks ago,,my first after4 years tectin,,mine was very similar with a bird catching a hare in the middle and minus handle,,well done fella.
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« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2010, 10:32:45 PM »
still doesnt make sense to me. Starting from above the lions head, it looks like "ST. TYDVOEL. DERATVOUS".

My french isnt very good, how about Napolean from Swansea. He is french, might be more use to you.

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« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2010, 11:03:06 PM »
Interesting, could St Tydvoel be an old way of spelling St Tydfil?
http://www.fortunecity.com/athena/sister/1008/tydfil.html
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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2010, 11:15:24 AM »
Blimey, this is a fiddly one, The lion rampant with the head facing right is a scottish kings symbol, while the language around the seal looks french. The scots had a lot of french connections when they were battling the english for independence.

I guess it depends on the date of the seal what it means. The translation into english isnt in the correct order ( vous would come before derat) unless someone who wasnt fluent in french was creating a seal with the intention of saying something to do with a local saint.

Derat isnt translateable unless it has something to do with derating, which is to lower a taxeable value of something.

Maybe something like "May St Ty'voel lower your tax bill". Huh Grin

Anyone into obscure french blessings?

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