an interesting one/two - can u help?

[Trys]

I agree, it's a stock from a toy gun - found one like it last year

[saxonman]

DEF A TOY GUN TINKS 17OOS.THEY ACTUALLY FIRED THATS WHY YOU FIND A LOT OF THEM IN BITS.....MANY A CHILD GOT HURT USEING THESE SO CALLED TOY GUNS...NORMALLY YOU WOULD FIND THEM IN FIELDS IN FRONT OF MANSIONS...OR LARGE FARMS....

[handyman [Alan}]

thanks for your input guys, much appreciated indeed. it was found on a large farm, but miles away from any farmhouse.

saxonman - i'm interested in how the date is arrived at - do u have any links to websites that i can follow up please?

cheers

happy hunting

[Techony]

Hi Alan,

I think I've found it c1890-1910...

http://www.finds.org.uk/database/artefacts/record/id/274676

[Chef Geoff]

The date of 1890-1910 is based on them being sold by Gamage of London, to be sure you would have to get hold of an old catalogue of theirs (yes they still exist around the place).
Saxonman.... these fired matchsticks, it is the small toy cannons that actually used gun powder.

[Al.Thepastfinder, ( Alan )]

arrrr  we had some that fired matchsticks when i was young, had a lot of fun with it,
 found a plastic gun down the beach the the other day,  noticed later that it should shoot  something out,  i went back tuesday and found the missing very soft plastic dart that has a soft sucker on the end,
 the grandkids are happy with it lol.

Alan

[saxonman]

WE HAD A RARE RALLY ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO,SOME ONE THEN  TOLD ME THEY ARE GEORGEN.CANT PROVE IT BUT THEY LOOK GEORGENISH...CHEF....WE FOUND ABOUT SIX BROKEN GUNS THAT DAY AND IT WAS A VERY LARGE FARM..INTERESTING ABOUT FIREING MATCH STICKS?...GWIL.,

[saxonman]

WHAT I CAN REMEMBER IS THAT SOME OF THEM HAD BURN AND MELT MARKS AROUND THE FIREING PIN.IT MAKES SENSE NOT TO USE PEWTER WITH BLACK POWDER AS IT IS LEAD ALLOY....BUT????KIDS......

[handyman [Alan}]

thanks for input guys.

i well recall the matchstick toy guns, i had great fun with toy cannons, which fired matchsticks, ...i well recall pestering my dad for his used matchsticks.

cheers

[Jonola (Jon)]

 A button with crown and what looks like C I V  underneath.

all help appreciated.

Could be the  City Imperial volunteers? I believe they wore a C.I.V. shoulder title as a cap badge in the slouch hat.
 
A makers name or any markings on the back might help me more?

Personally I lean towards the 104th Foot but nothing definite yet.

Here are a couple of pics of Bona Fide 100% City Imperial Volunteers buttons. No prizes for guessing their date...

Also your find.