Fisher F75 v Teknetics T2: Whos the best? theres only one way to find out FIGHT!

[PHIL YNYSBOETH]

Sorry about the Harry Hill reference in the title lol

As there a few new owners of F75,s and T2,s
I thought we,d revisit this very popular subject

I'm in not way a F75 expert but like so many F75 owners Id like a have a T2 as well as i guess some T2 owners would like a F75
 Id like to know if Ive got the Best of the 2 1st Texas instruments flagship detectors

If you've owned both in the past what are the differences ?
Ive read a lot about the 2 machines (wasn't sure which one to go for)
heres a few of my thoughts taken from article's on the web

Why i like the F75 .....

The T2 has less features
 I like the constantly lite Backlight (I'm not sure if the new T2 have this feature)
Selectable processing modes independent from the Tonal ID the T2s processing mode is tied to the tone ID.
The gain and depth on the T2 depends on the Disc setting. It seems you have high gain from 0 to 10, lower from 10 to 20 and higher from 20 + again.
Static All Metal Mode on the F75 for cache hunting 
Last setting memory
The fisher has  15 numbers for iron Basically anything under 18 is Iron) T2 has 40 numbers for Iron
Notch System on the F75, only Disc on T2.   

The Fisher F75 is the best ! or is it ?
Theres only one way to find out ......Fight ! lol

[Tinman (paul/Lisa)]

Hi Phil good post, has the T2 got 40 for iron? I know it goes below iron  0 to 10 is minerals but I was under the impression 10 to 20 was iron not 40.Just seems a lot to me if it is 40 see got my explorer head on and thinking nearly half a screen lol

[SimonH]

I've always dug anything over 40 as I've read before that Iron is 40 and below

[SimonH]

Hers some interesting info on Fisherf75.com

http://www.fisherf75.com/pb/wp_cd1ee138/wp_cd1ee138.html

I got the T2 with all the updates and have to say it is a very good detector.
Here is what the F75 has over the T2
Backlight.
The always on backlight is liked by some users but disliked by others. I hunt by tone ID, so having no backlight on the T2 is not a problem. Some wish they could turn off the light of the F75.

First T2s didn't ID as deep as the F75, but the newer T2s ID as well as the F75.
The F75 Handles interference a little better, but i feel that the T2 has a little more punch if you can run ist hot.
The F75 has selectable processing modes that are independant from the Tone ID the T2s processing mode is tied to the tone ID.
The gain and depth on the T2 depends on the Disc setting. It seems you have high gain from 0 to 10, lower from 10 to 20 and higher from 20 + again. I like to use disc 0 with 2+ Tones.
Depth on the fly meter on the F75 and signal strength on the T2.
Static All Metal Mode on the F75, not on the T2.
Last setting memory on the F75, not on T2.
First I thought ist is better to have last setting memory, but due to notch and disc setup on the F75 you may get confused what you did to the detector and a program error is still there if you turn is on again. On the other hand, programming the 3 settings on the T2 is done is under 10 seconds.
The F75 has only 15 numbers for iron and the T2 40 numbers for the iron range. If you have good target mixed in with iron the T2 does a better job than the F75.
Notch System on the F75, only Disc on T2. I never liked Notch because you can only Notch out a group of numbers. I rather go by the VDI numbers, because often one number up or down from pulltab can be the gold ring.

The T2 has less feature, but is easier to use and setup. I year ago I thought the F75 is best for me, but now I use the T2 with the new 5" DD coil most of the time.

BTW, if you don't have the new 5" DD coil for the F75 or T2 you may want to get one. It separates extremly well and the depth is hard to believe for a coil of that size.

[SimonH]

Garysdeteting F75 vs T2 shootout

http://www.garysdetecting.co.uk/fisher_f75_information.htm

[PHIL YNYSBOETH]

I really like the F75 and i cant see the T2 is that differant but id still like to own one  but not at the Current  used Prices !

[Jeb]

Having owned the two models ,i have had the F75 from when it was first introduced into the UK . The first batch came in & I was privileged to get one. And I still own one today .

The T2 was the first detector by First Texas to move away from the olde 1200 series type detector made famous by "Fisher" and the Bounty Hunter series of which they own. They decided to make an entirely new concept of detector of which they succeeded.
So first off the "First Texas production line came the "T2" .
This detector was light to swing and had a perfect balance about it. It is adequately deep and sensitive for a detector to be called i`d say three quarters of the way to becoming a top class detector.

Then came the Fisher F75 !
 This was a step up in the spec of the T2 . It was hardly worth bringing another clone in workings of a T2 was it ?
So they improved the sensitivity and gave  a few added improvements over the T2.
(of which have already been mentioned by Phil.)

As i said having had both the T2 And the F75 my conclusion is that the F75 is the better Detector .
The sensitivity is considerably higher than the T2 and can run very hot. This coupled with a lightning fast recovery speed makes the F75 a better choice than the Goldmaxx Power even (i`ve used and owned three of those by the way for up to 3 yrs,when they first came out )
The F75 is as fast as the GMP in recovery speed ,and can go far deeper in depth capability.

There`s not a lot to "fight" out with the comparison of a T2 and F75 ,as without doubt the F75 is the more " superior " detector ,in depth and sensitivity, both vital ingredients to obtain the title of top contender.

I have been lucky to own and use most of todays and past detectors.  My conclusion is out of all the detectors i`ve used in the past thirty odd years, the F75 is the best detector out there.
 The reason i say this is ,i`ve based my opinion on the "Over all " statistics about what a detector needs to be ,to be the most consistent & user friendly detector you can buy.
The F75 in my opinion ticks all the required boxes to meet the full requirements.

Its Light as a feather, Its perfectly balanced, its got very good depth seeking capability. Its VERY sensitive when the right mode is engaged, yet the sensitivity amount can vari according to the users needs.From Red hot ,to very cool.
 Its got only two things to adjust on it. A knob and a press button, if you don`t count the simple on off and volume knob.
 The user manual is pretty well self explanatory and if your pretty clued up on detector workings you should be using it proficiently within a month. If your a novice , there is settings on it that can be applied to get you going for a while to you become confident in it to start using other settings and experimenting with those.

 The T2 is much the same . Its the same looking in shape but is coloured different. The same one knob and a button to use it is applied and its pretty well much the same theory in its menu ,less the additional items of course the F75 has on board.
 Both these detectors are i`d say highly under rated  and yet they are so user friendly and can give most of the so called top contender spot Detectors a good run for there money.
 I could own & use any detector out there going.. But!  I choose to still use the F75 as my primary detector.

Oh! and this thing about the Iron.
On the F75 if you use the All metal mode or the Discrim mode , Iron can easily be recognised by the Digital Numbers or the low grunts.
If the readout is under 18 and especially "9" its Iron and Iron can blast in at 99.
If your an experienced F75 user you don`t dig Iron. Its that simple.  You will recognise Iron by either numbers on your screen  or the Sounds.
I virtually never dig Iron .I`m not going to say never as i never say never "just in case" but i can say i virtually never dig Iron. Its so easy to recognise once you know what the F75 is telling you. Its all about knowing your detector.  If you don`t know what its "trying" to tell you you will dig Iron on any detector in fact that can tell you Iron is there..

[Neil]

Interesting post gents - I am toying with trying a new manufacturer this year just for a change, but still keeping my arsenal of Minelabs.

How robust are they because remember when the T2 was launched there was loads returned due to it being quite fragile?

Neil

[Jeb]

The T2 & the F75 IS NOT as Robust as the Minelabs thats for sure!  The trade off is weight !  If you want a detector thats built like a tank then the Minelabs are the boys. But the downside is carrying that weight.
Now as you get older you don`t want to be lugging a heavy detector around for hours on end.  Now i can swing the F75 around for hours with no trouble.  In the three years i`ve had an F75 i`ve never had anything break on it. That could be because i tend to respect my detector which cost a lot of money, so, it doesnt get slung into the boot or mishandled.  
I don`t molly coddle it when i use it but i respect it, and that line of thinking has  paid dividends over the last three years.

Ok the F75 just mightn`t get the depth the E trac or Explorers will, But its not that far behind them, and when you weigh up the pro`s n cons of them all, my edge in the statistics has to be towards the F75 given the OVERALL pluses & minus  .

This is not taking anthing away from the T2 i might add.
The T2 is in my opinion a very good detector  indeed.

[saxonman]

TOTALLY AGREE WITH JEB,I HAVE THEM BOTH..THE F75 IS THE SUPERIOR OF THE TWO...T2 LTD SOUNDS INTERESTING THO....THE CONSCEPT IS THE SAME   BUT THEY ARE DIFFERENT MACHINES.

[colin]

i wouldnt swap my f75 for anything simplicity in itself i use the jewelry mode on most field conditions unless theres a lot of iron present ,if so i drop the sensitivity or switch to default great machine.

[Jeb]

i wouldnt swap my f75 for anything simplicity in itself i use the jewelry mode on most field conditions unless theres a lot of iron present ,if so i drop the sensitivity or switch to default great machine.

Hi Colin.

Colin , hope you won`t mind but here`s a bit of information for you you might like to hear.
On the F75 and even the T2,running on a high Sensitivity in the iron strewn ground will give a much enhanced resolution on non ferrous targets. This should never be the case but with the F75 and the T2 , but! IT IS ,just that.
It actually goes against all the things we learn about metal detecting as we read or listen to others. Yet with the F75 and the T2  it remains a paradoxical contradiction by using HIGH sensitivity in and amongst the trashy soil. This is why i have hi lighted your words.
 If you can try what i`m going to tell you to try now after doing it when you have found a target in the trash, try turning  your sensitivity down before you dig the target and see what happens to your target response.
The Target response WILL decrease into a very quiet response.

So! the thing you have to do with the F75 and the T2 is (wait for it) .......
If your working in a heavy trashy area of Soil Turn your sensitivity right up.

So you find a trashy site. what do you do. You Fast grab on a nice clean bit of ground first. You then stick your Discrim on "6" and for THE BEST target separation you would be advised to stick your tone on "1" tone. You can use De or PF mode or even JE ,but JE will give you hell with these settings. My advise is stay on DE, or PF with these settings.
Your sensitivity you can stick on 90. (yes 90) Don`t be afraid to do this. You then can search in the Iron and watch and listen for that "good each way signal to come out.
OK it may take a few times for you to get used to this, but believe me Colin, it will work for you.
The F75 is like no other detector ever made. Its unconventional and DEADLY IN THE RIGHT SETTINGS.
But! the minute you switch on to more than one tone , be it 2,3,or 4, tone you will instantly be invoking your Discrimination to "15 ". The Target Tone in 1 tone will report as a long drawn out sound and will not cause the VDI to jump about anywhere near as much , but it will be crisp and clear. Watch your meter and watch the Values given .


Now having said all that there is another way you can hunt.But! only if you can hunt with a lot of noise in your ear to contend with.
Try putting in "0" discrimination.and a Sensitivity of anything up near 85 to 95. (again no mistake) Then you can invoke any of the Multi tones available. Be it 2,3,  or 4 Tones.
 Now of course the detector WILL mask some of the targets in the multi tone setting this is because any heavily masked target that the VDI identifies as 15 or below WILL present an Iron audio Target response, But the justification will be that the F75 will go deeper because the discrim setting is 4 or below ,especially with the discrim being on "0".
 So thats another hunting setting but by that last set up yes, you`ll get more Target masking for sure BUT! you could get the deep targets also , where as in the previous setting, you won`t get quite the depth you will with "6" discrimination, but you will get better Target ID ing for easier recovery techniques.
 
 You could utilise both methods by trying the Disc "6 "and Monotone first in the trash, to get all of the unmasking done, then later ,after a good workout, try the "0" Disc and multi tone 2,3 or 4 tones  to try to locate the Deep targets.

So don`t forget Colin High trash means HIGH sensitivity with the F75.

 I hope this info will be of some help to you as it was to me when i first learned it .
 I can only pass it on to others . its down to the individual if you want to try and use it.

[Tinman (paul/Lisa)]

Hi Jeb,

Seeing as we're on the subject I have some land that used to be an old railway track,  so there is plenty of iron there.  There is also loads of bottle tops cans etc as it was later used as a picnic area (and still is) would increasing the sensitivity still work, knowing how much aluminium is there

[Jeb]

yes Paul, as long as you use the settings I`ve suggested you use,and the area your going to search is not subject to a large amount of EMI (Electrostatic Magnetic Interference) EI , High or low electricity wire. Sub stations near by. Electric fencing wire. Anything like these which will then cause massif interference to your F75 or T2.
 If you know there will be lots of rubbish in the ground ,sweep slower than the normal rate of sweep speed and could i suggest as i always do, carry a hammered coin with you and drop it on the floor and sweep your coil over it every now and then, to get an example of what you must listen for, in sound and visual ,on your screen. Its just a case of training your ear & eye for what your after.

You may wish for about 20 minutes to have a "play" with the digging.
Dig signals you think might be good or bad "just" to see what your detector is telling you. There is no hard and fast set rules you have to follow in so much as a set pattern of procedure . You might want to as i just said investigate a few signals . Test yourself  at the beginning. Dig what you think IS rubbish. SEE if your thoughts were right.  
Dig obviously what you think is a good target and see if you were right.  There is no harm in investigating theory`s, or given procedure. This is all about enjoying what your doing as you do it.
I see it as a sort of game. " Hunt the hidden target." How good can you be? How good can you get ?  How good are you ?

And then after trying out different peoples suggestions, if they work for you , its a bonus. If they don`t and your not comfortable using other peoples suggestions , go back to what YOU were comfortable with.
As ,Nothing ventured ,nothing gained .What works for others just mightn`t be to your liking. There is no absolute ,right and wrong way. Just whats right for you and what your comfortable with. Its a Hobby at the end of the day ,to be seen and done as such.
There ARE better working ways than others but only if you find it so.
I hope this makes sense ?

 PS Colin, if you are on an olde railway line, be prepared to combat coke too. You will i think find the numbers coke will register at. Its down to you whether you dig those numbers or not.
I personally do dig coke because the number bracket coke falls into, "could" be also something good. I do know when i`m out that "that" particular number, that the coke does register at will probably BE COKE. But I`m not prepared to take the chance that it almost certainly IS coke, so i do dig that number. Probably 95% of the time it will be coke. But i always think, What if ? That other 5% will be what ? but there is signs actually that tell you its coke. jumping about figures for one will not lock on to a particulat number.thats more than often coke.
As i said this is a personal thing i do, but others may choose to disregard the coke figure that normally will register or recognize the jumpy vdi figures.. Again its all down to personal preferences, and no discredit if you choose either method .

[Tinman (paul/Lisa)]

Cheers Jeb much appreciated, I have been over it many times before with the Se and the finds are usually Viccys etc that era along with the odd ring plenty of decimal. I have also been given a farm where there was a well there and is about 50yrds from a Roman road. Unfortunatly it goes down hill then cos they went and put a big water pipe through there in the 60s and the field has loads of modern junk in there I cant see me finding anything Roman but you never know. Just need the weather now which is so frustrating .