Romes greatest defeat - the Varian Disaster.

[Neil]

Courtesy of BBC online - 30/09/09

Three days of blood-soaked butchery in the unfamiliar forests of Germany culminated in one of the Roman Empire's darkest moments, and may have helped shape the Europe of today. As many as 30,000 Roman soldiers, along with countless slaves and families, died at the hands of people they regarded as barbarians, who were led by a man they regarded as a friend.

Did the Varian Disaster, which took place exactly 2,000 years ago and stunned the Roman Empire into a temporary paralysis, mark a turning point in its all-conquering mindset? Does the slaughter in the Teutoburger Forest still affect us today?

Adrian Murdoch, author of a book on the battle, said the shockwaves were immense.
"The battle was not only the Roman Empire's greatest defeat, but it definitely changed European history in ways which are being felt still now," he said.

Varus was marching back to the Rhine when attacked and killed at Kalkriese
In 9AD the Romans believed the land they called Germania was all but conquered. The man at the head of the army, Varus, was more civil servant than soldier. Marching south at the end of the summer fighting season he was lead into unfamiliar territory by a trusted native lieutenant, Arminius.

Arminius, a nobleman who had spent years in the Empire, had secretly organised an alliance of German tribes and as the three legions of Romans struggled through forest and storms, they were caught in an immense ambush.

"It shouldn't be thought of as a swift attack. It went on for three days," says Roman military expert Dr Jon Coulston, from the University of St Andrews.

"I compare it to the USS Indianapolis, which sank in the Second World War and sailors, in the sea for days, were attacked by sharks. The first attacks would have be short and sharp, only doing a little damage. Then more tribesmen would have been attracted, hitting harder. The normally ordered Roman marching column would have begun to break up, groups of soldiers being picked off. Eventually, exhausted and in disarray, the army was stopped by ditches and earth walls and was then overwhelmed in a final onslaught."

But countless soldiers have died in endless battles. Why is this one different?

The stockades which finally trapped the Romans have been reconstructed
Adrian Murdoch believes it was a decisive moment in the development of the West.

"The split along the Rhine across which the Romans were pushed remains significant today," he said. "But the battle certainly did affect the thinking of the Romans right away. The Germans became almost revered as well as feared in the mentality of the Romans. Early emperors kept Germans as their private bodyguards. They were bogeymen.

He added: "Later there is of course the issue of the role of Arminius and the battle in fostering the idea of German nationalism. This was helpful and arguably benign in the 19th Century especially in the wake of Napoleon's imperialistic ambitions. It reached its lowest point during the Nazi era when Arminius pulled on jackboots. During the nationalistic marches through Munich, Arminius and Cheruscan warriors marched alongside stormtroopers."

The importance of the battle to modern Germany is such that the anniversary has been marked by three separate exhibitions on the battle, opened by German Chancellor Angela Merkel. Sven Felix Kellerhoff, a journalist for Die Welt newspaper and specialist in German cultural history, believes its influence runs deep.

"European history is shaped by the differences between the Romanic western part, the so called Germanic part in the middle and the Slavic part in central Europe," he says.

"Maybe without the Varian disaster there would never have been the separation of west and east Frankish kingdoms, never the confrontation between the German kings and the popes, never the Reformation, never the conflict between Germany and France.
 
More than 5,000 objects have been found at the site

"If Europe to the Elbe had been shaped by Romanic culture and language, the roadmap of European history would have changed in many parts. This doesn't mean that it would all be better - other conflicts and other wars would have broken out. But Europe would have had a very different history."

But Dr Coulston feels that while the battle was significant, its long term effects have been overplayed.

"This was a defeat for Rome at its strongest under the rule of Augustus, the first true emperor, it probably affected him personally. Roman historians have him banging his fists on walls and shouting for Varus to give him back his eagles. He also told his successors to limit the Empire to the Rhine. But we have to recognise the Romans came back hard. They smashed the German armies soon after, regaining the ground and driving Arminius to his death. They probably could have completed the conquest but the political will to spend the effort doing so had weakened.

"And after this Rome did not turn its back on Germany. There was trade, there were treaties, and the later Roman army was substantially made up of German mercenaries. And it was mostly tribes from Germany which overwhelmed the Western Empire. The cultures of Rome and the tribes north of the Rhine, even if they had not mixed before, must have done then."

[robson (chris)]

brilliant post Neil

[hedgehog]

Hi Neil, I don't know if you are aware but there was an ongoing write up on this in Treasure Hunting (it was titled "The lost legions of Varus") magazine many moons ago.
It may interest you to know that the actual site was found by an english metal detectorist living abroad, ex army and I think his name was Captain Clun. Anyway he did a lot of research identified where the site might be, out with the metal detector and found it , it was a great story and there were some amazing finds and the course of the battle was pieced together by where the finds were made, also a very interesting full face Roman mask was unearthed.
The emperor at the time was so disappointed at losing one of his favourite legions that no other legion took their name thereafter.

[Neil]

Thanks Hedgehog - I also read the same article it was very interesting and would be a great site to go detecting on!

If anyone wants to get the feel for the area watch the opening 10 minutes of Gladiator. aLthough not exact in many ways , it certainly gives a tast of how bloody the combat would have been.

Cheers
Neil

[Chef Geoff]

Great post Niel
Not sure if you have read my small contribution in the form an A5 pamphlet on Boudica. If the Varus Defeat had not happened then it is quite possible that the rebellion of the Britons would never of happed. what is more exciting to British metal detectorists is the fact the Hispana legion were decimated just north of Colchester and less than 100 years later they marched into Scotland and disappeared from history.