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« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2009, 08:10:16 PM »

hi hh, dave ,and peter what i was looking at was the size of  the legends on peters coin they where full size on daves it was small lettering and i noticed the crown tilting to the left of the fleur on one and to the right on the other
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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2009, 08:16:04 PM »

Here goes:

1. The legend is EDW R' ANGL' DNS HYB. If there is no A after the EDW and only one R then it is always Edward I.

2. The crown has the trifoliate side fleurs (see http://www.detectingwales.com/index.php?topic=3648.0 for explanation. The trifoliate fleurs generally mean Edward I Classes 1-9

3. The letters E and C are open, usually meaning Classes 1 to 5, although there are a few exceptions.

4. The letter S is of an early type where each letter is made up of 4 separate wedge-shaped punches rather than one whole letter. This identifies it as being Class 1-3e, some 3g or some Class 7.

5. The mint is Canterbury (CIVITAS CANTOR), which issued pennies in all classes EXCEPT 1, 3a, 3e, 6a and 8.

So far, then, it could be Class 2a, 2b, 3b, 3cd, or 3g.

6.The ornaments on the crown are spear-shaped rather than round. This excludes Class 3b.

7.The letter Ns are the right way round. This excludes most of Classes 2a and 2b

So we are left with Class 3cd (which used to be separated into 3c and 3d but are now lumped together) or 3g. Most Class 3g have down-curving outer fleurs, which I think are not present on this coin, so my final conclusion is that this coin is Edward I, Class 3cd Grin


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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2009, 08:20:05 PM »

Go on , do your worst  Grin enjoyed that one even if it takes a degree to read the damn thing, we will try and work the next one out together I think.
Great post Peter!
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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2009, 08:23:07 PM »

keep it going peter i have learned a lot so far thanks for the postings
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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2009, 08:29:57 PM »

Peter - Any chance you could do an explanation on the short cross coins. I have found 3 to date and I am linking them all to Richard the Lionheart due to the 7 pellets on the crown, but I may be miles out.

I know they are hard to distinguish and I bow to your greater wisdom on this.

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« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2009, 08:45:47 PM »

I also have a interest in shortcross pennies, they are my favourite, any pointers with ID on them would be great Pete.  Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2009, 08:45:58 PM »

Thanks all for comments.

Hi Neil and Max - I'll do another Eddie next but I'll look for some nice shortcrosses to do as well.
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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2009, 08:51:59 PM »

Know its an eddie but other than that
havent got a clue
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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2009, 10:53:20 PM »

well  done peter i;m realy absorbed in all this detail keep them coming i;m sure hh and dave are enjoying them selves
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