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« on: August 25, 2018, 08:12:20 AM »
Doc, Roland anyone else what are your thoughts on this.

Bronze, 24mm. Obv. Facing bust (IMP CARAVSIVS PF AVG).   with PAX reverse (PAX AVG)

Pictures do not do it true justice but a bit nibbled granted.

Can't find parallel been told could be very rare as well.....over to you guys please.


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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2018, 08:39:42 AM »
My thought are, its a  very nice Roman coin well saved  ;0)
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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2018, 08:47:03 AM »
Quote from: Phil Penderyn on August 25, 2018, 08:39:42 AM
My thought are, its a  very nice Roman coin well saved  ;0)

Cheers Phil, more research needed.
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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2018, 09:13:56 AM »
Cracking coin  Grin
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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2018, 10:13:42 AM »
Hi Paul - it was me that did the ID on the other site - I get around a bit lol.

Will be interesting to see what Roland says about this one.

As I said in the other place, I have spotted a couple of these facing bust Carausius types online with Salus reverse (RIC 400), but I am pretty sure the reverse legend on this one is PAX AVG, which I can't find anywhere with this obverse.

Here's the image from Wildwinds of the Salus reverse coin:

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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2018, 12:50:21 PM »
Quote from: The Doc on August 25, 2018, 10:13:42 AM
Hi Paul - it was me that did the ID on the other site - I get around a bit lol.

Will be interesting to see what Roland says about this one.

As I said in the other place, I have spotted a couple of these facing bust Carausius types online with Salus reverse (RIC 400), but I am pretty sure the reverse legend on this one is PAX AVG, which I can't find anywhere with this obverse.

Here's the image from Wildwinds of the Salus reverse coin:






Thanks Doc, I had a feeling you were the same person lol. Be interested to see what Roland says. Once again thanks for your ID ..
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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2018, 01:20:44 PM »
I hadn't seen any of these until recently but there was a sale of Carausian coins - might have been DNW that had two of these - I'm pretty sure I saved the link as they were ones I liked the look of - it is a rare type.
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« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2018, 01:23:46 PM »
Here's a link - although the two coins were both Salus. I think the prices paid were very high - as a collector I'd always prefer the denarii but here they are:-

https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=2469&lot=76
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« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2018, 10:02:28 PM »
Was that the correct sale price or was it a typo ? Even if you knock a 0 off it’s a lot of money.
Paul’s Coin has a different reverse doesn’t it ?
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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2018, 11:30:56 PM »
Yes, that was the correct sale price - I'd have been willing to pay a couple of hundred for them, as facing busts are always more sought after.

The first coin is the Salus reverse - the second coin - well I couldn't tell you what it was - it could be Salus, it could be Pax.

Pax is the most common of the Carausian coins - about 95% had pax as the reverse, so it would make sense that there is a facing bust type with Pax. -

I've just looked at Shiel, 'The Episode of Carausius and Allectus' but sadly it concentrates on the silver and gold, so nothing mentioned there and there's nothing  in the other book 'Carausius & Allectus, the British Usurpers' - by PJ Casey.
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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2018, 07:34:18 AM »
Think I can feel a Xmas hols break coming on Paul  Grin
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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2018, 08:49:28 AM »
Hi Roland thank you for your comments and particularly the auction link. Both yourself and Doc are always on the ball with information and Id's.
So what makes this coin rare is having Pax on the reverse and forward facing....I have e mailed Sam Moorehead st the BM as he is the expert on Roman coins, he's back in the office tomorrow so I will update on his comments.
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« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2018, 08:52:59 AM »
Quote from: Val Beechey on August 27, 2018, 07:34:18 AM
Think I can feel a Xmas hols break coming on Paul  Grin
Possibly Val, time will tell I will keep you informed also there is a story behind the coins discovery  is interesting  Wink
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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2018, 01:37:24 PM »
Quote from: celticspikey on August 27, 2018, 08:49:28 AM
Hi Roland thank you for your comments and particularly the auction link. Both yourself and Doc are always on the ball with information and Id's.
So what makes this coin rare is having Pax on the reverse and forward facing....I have e mailed Sam Moorehead st the BM as he is the expert on Roman coins, he's back in the office tomorrow so I will update on his comments.

I was on a dig with Sam in 1993 in Israel - he helped me buy a few prutah in Jerusalem (one of which I still have) - nice chap.
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« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2018, 08:06:17 PM »
Just had a reply from Sam At the BM...apparently there are 7 recorded facing busts but all have Salus as reverse. He is back in the office Wednesday and will give me more information.
Dare I think this coin is a one off?? Be nice time will tell.
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