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« Reply #45 on: October 16, 2015, 04:59:01 PM »

I totally disagree Rob sorry they are the ones with their head in the sand or should I say the past, I see nothing 21st century about anything they do, the website is so amateur and out of date it doesn't exactly say "We are the governing body" I don't have any grievance with NCMD petty or otherwise and I'm the first to celebrate what they did for us during the STOP campaign but that was then and was their raison d'etre and since they have failed to breath professionalism in to the hobby, when the nighthawk report was published a few years ago did they take the moral high ground and condemn the nighthawks as something we as a hobby needed to weed out? no after a very long silence they defended the hobby and accused archaeologists of giving a biased view. They won't even tell people how many members they have...why? well if they did they may have to explain what has happened to the hundreds of thousands of pounds they have taken in membership over the last 30 years......fresh blood? possibly but a new broom? definitely.
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« Reply #46 on: October 17, 2015, 06:15:19 PM »

As with everything were money is involved it always seems to to bring out the worst in people. Some might not like to admit it but metal detecting is a very clicky hobby and the whole hobby needs a clean up. Starting from the purchase we seem to be getting ripped off by the dealers over charging for detectors etc, then price matching other dealers price which they supply too ,so why not charge us the cheap rate in the first place. Also then bulking out of any warranty claim if they get away with it. Some detectorists think they own the land that they gain permission on using heavy handed approaches to stop others detecting on it even after they have sort permission, it is the farmer who owns the land and up to him who he grants permission to , this has happened to me by a forum member of this website  Huh I do attend rallies at different parts of the Uk and have bore witness when the organiser turn a blind eye when treasure is un earthed because the detectorist was one of the click. When you come to see the write up at the end of the day on the internet what is reported is never a true account of what is actually found and makes you think why? the simple answer is money. If nothing is found of interest thats how it should be reported on. They way finds are sent way and recorded, why does it takes so long? the simple answer to this is the system is not fit for purpose and the employees of this do not seem to have a interest in the job and get there job from the old boys network. in the first place. I am lucky enough to have my own permissions and be in a club were what you see is what you get which is refreshing change  from the norm . Some  people are not so lucky , that is not a excuse to go night hawking but maybe a reason why some do, which not for a instant do i agree with. But there maybe a number of reasons why they do. I think the whole hobby needs a kick up the AR@@ and we all need to look at the way the hobby is run and look at the way we all act within it . So as for  the "saying people in glass houses should not throw stones" because not everyone in it is white than white and are quick to criticize other who are up to no good.
Just my opinion for what it's worth Huh
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« Reply #47 on: October 17, 2015, 09:37:52 PM »

The bigest problem when you bring in rules as a result of the iresponsible few, its only effects those responsible detectorists. The night or day hawkers do not stop.

What should happen and it does not, that when hawkers are found out there should be tougher penalties, shamed.  If a detectorist finds a hoard on land without permission he shouldnt be rewarded.


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« Reply #48 on: October 19, 2015, 01:06:22 PM »

Geoff I don't mind constructive criticism and I stand by your right to say what you think..Its a free society and I agree to differ with you..I love this forum ,but no matter how big it gets ,it will not influence government to take action on nighawkwers..Only the governing body can do that and that can be done by a push from the federations..My suggestion  is to take photographs of car registrations near looted sites and handed over to the police..The next time those cars are seen in the countryside the police can pull them over for a search..That is constructive and the whole country can get involved Cool
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« Reply #49 on: October 19, 2015, 04:29:04 PM »

Hi Rob again in theory all you say is for the good of metal detecting.
BUT!!! With the ever cutting back on our police force's,to what is now becoming mere shadow of its former self and with the closure of most of our outlying police stations,personally, they wouldn't give toss to someone reporting a car tucked into a country lane layby.
They just ain't got those sort of resources any more,as very unfortunately, those days are long gone.
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« Reply #50 on: October 19, 2015, 05:05:47 PM »

Hi BOB,again in theory all you say is for the good of metal detecting.
BUT!!! With the ever cutting back on our police force's,to what is now becoming mere shadow of its former self and with the closure of most of our outlying police stations,personally, they wouldn't give toss to someone reporting a car tucked into a country lane layby.
They just ain't got those sort of resources any more,as very unfortunately, those days are long gone.

What you say is so true.

Just very recently 3 people rang the police when a car full of youngsters left the road and went up a pedestrian path knocking a 3 foot steel post out of the ground..

It then hit a garden stone wall cracking it open after its stood everything for 100 years.

Luckily the youngsters were not injured and they man handled the severely damaged car back on the main road, even though the traffic was tailed back to the motorway.

No police bothered to turn up to the accident.

What chance is there of them attending a night hawking call. Angry  Jerry.
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« Reply #51 on: October 19, 2015, 05:12:01 PM »

The police will now only attend a Road Traffic Accident or Collision if somebody is injured
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« Reply #52 on: October 20, 2015, 12:59:46 PM »

Your missing the point ,its not catching them on site ,its if the registrations are being flagged up at local  headquarters..The cops on night patrol pull them over and see if nightlights,picks and recent finds are in the car...Exactly the same as harecoursing ,drug dealers and burglars are caught... If only one or two are brought before the court and their detectors,car are confisticated with a big fine.Hopefully it WILL deter other criminals from ruining are hobby.. The name is Rob ...Wetland  Grin
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« Reply #53 on: October 20, 2015, 03:35:25 PM »

Yes but you've missed the point Rob...there are no night patrols as such our local division has two patrol cars at night and that's to cover 450 square miles which means that they certainly aren't wasting their time driving down country lanes which brings us back to us policing it ourselves and I'm not talking about catching them in the act but many of us at times have probably had suspicions of other detectorists but very few of us ever share those suspicions because we don't see it as any of our business which in one way it's not but if you're someone who cares about the hobby in general and more importantly the history it can help to uncover then it does.
Metal detecting by its very nature is a very selfish hobby my sites, my finds I've even seen a few times where people even keep detector programs secret Huh and on the sites front for very good reason but it's our very success that inspires new blood to come in to the hobby and this influence comes with a price ticket which is to teach the right way and if that means using a big stick then so be it.
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« Reply #54 on: October 20, 2015, 05:19:56 PM »

good idea rob,  something needs to be done. it needs some deterent to stop this  happening.
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« Reply #55 on: October 20, 2015, 05:52:35 PM »

Sorry Rob,gotta go with Chef,we have to police it ourselves,if you have any suspicions, and can back it up,you got to dob em in.yes its horrible, BUT!! WE HAVE GOT TO STAMP IT OUT....OR !!!!!
WE LOSE OUR HOBBY,the choice is OURS !! Cry
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« Reply #56 on: October 21, 2015, 01:27:23 AM »

It was DONG DING that got your name wrong Rob Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #57 on: October 21, 2015, 04:58:39 AM »

                            I was once informed by a police officer that most forces have one officer who specialises in animal protection.
Spot people badger baiting, digging out foxes, or dog fighting, and he is your man to contact. Perhaps a quick call to your local Plod will provide you with a contact number for use in the future; should you ever spot illegal detecting.

                           I recently rang 101 to report a none detecting security issue and was switched to an other line after giving the information to the first operator that took my call. It wasn't an emergency, so I just sat and waited for someone to pick up the phone on the other end and was amazed how long it took for someone to pick up the phone. I had visions of them all sat around  and saying "he will hang up in a minute".  Undecided
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« Reply #58 on: October 21, 2015, 03:25:09 PM »


Too be honest I don't know what the answer is but I do know that after 40 odd years the cry of "the irresponsible few" is wearing a little thin when they are turning out to be part of the responsible majority during the day and unless we ourselves start policing our own then the authorities will do it for us.

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This is free speech ,but it gets my heckles up ,when we know that majority of nighthawks are not part of our bonafide hobby
. These criminals don't want to get permission or,spend time with clubs on big empty fields..No they the prefer a Villa site and dig a trench till they find signals in the unstratifyed layers..We know they turn up at rallys to hawk the surrounding sites..But they wouldn't get out of bed to do a day time stint..How we going to police ourself ..Go back to vigilantism?
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« Reply #59 on: October 21, 2015, 04:23:13 PM »

Unfortunately Rob the facts and figures tell a different story with those few who have been caught day or night hawking and subsequently prosecuted sadly being just your average detectorist with some even recording their day to day finds with PAS and so are part of the hobby granted there are probably many who aren't but they have to learn their trade somewhere using a metal detector isn't rocket science but you still need to learn it to stand a chance of success even as a nighthawk on a scheduled site....
It gets my hackles up too Rob but I want to do something about it and not stand idly by with my fingers in my ears going la la la just because it doesn't apply to me or say "it wasn't us" every time.
As I said I don't know what the answer is and feel that the "bad uns" in the current generation are a lost hope but we do have a chance to improve the knowledge and sense responsibility of those who come after us and so making sure that there is still a hobby for them to take part in.
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