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« on: September 13, 2015, 10:14:02 AM »

HI guys, had this last week, I know the date of these but can any one decipher or give more detail. 


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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2015, 11:45:18 AM »

You've surpassed yourself this time Paul that one puts the brooches in the shade a bit Wink It's in fantastic condition that picture is a first for me I've seen a hare blowing a hunting horn and one riding a hunting dog but never seen one using a bow before and shooting at what looks like a squirrel ?
I can't make out the wording any chance of a more straight on (overhead) pic and slightly larger?
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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2015, 02:25:26 PM »

How interesting Geoff, I thought it was a more unusual one but I've not got a lot of knowledge on seals, I will put up a better picture later.
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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2015, 03:56:36 PM »

Great find.

A better picture would help, but appears to read STEORET WOME WATI.

I have no idea what that means sorry, and haven't found anything similar yet
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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2015, 05:27:20 PM »

Hi ya CS,now I may be way off the Mark here but I looked up the wording
"steroret some wati" and it came back with "short women"!!! No don't laugh!!
And it comes from the Aboriginal.
Aparrently, The WATI WATI people are from the district of SWAN HILL,VICTORIA,AUSTRALIA !!
Now what I want to know is,how in the bejesus you managed to get out to OZ,detect,find the seal,and get back home in time for tea
(This is NOT a wind up) Huh.....LOL👍
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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2015, 05:28:55 PM »

Here you go Geoff, Doc any better? I will try to get a better impression, I'm only using modelers clay and it seems to crack on drying.


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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2015, 05:34:08 PM »

Hi ya CS,now I may be way off the Mark here but I looked up the wording
"steroret some wati" and it came back with "short women"!!! No don't laugh!!
And it comes from the Aboriginal.
Aparrently, The WATI WATI people are from the district of SWAN HILL,VICTORIA,AUSTRALIA !!
Now what I want to know is,how in the bejesus you managed to get out to OZ,detect,find the seal,and get back home in time for tea
(This is NOT a wind up) Huh.....LOL👍
Ga Day Cobber, dingdong Ryan Air mate £2.56 return flight bargain Roll Eyes and no jet lag ....thanks for the info though very interseting mate Wink
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« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2015, 06:00:11 PM »

Unfortunately Chris there's about 400 years difference between this seal and the discovery of Australia lol
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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2015, 06:05:25 PM »

Hey,C/S,no,no,no,you couldn't a used Ryan Air,there's no way they would let ya take a bloody detector on the plane,there just ain't the room,SO,I think your avin me on !!!LOL👍
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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2015, 06:09:26 PM »

I'm still not happy deciphering the first word as I'm not sure if the "S" is the first letter before the "T" or as on many seals it stands for "Sigillum" (seal) and I think the "I" at the end is part of the picture rather than a letter which leaves "wone wat" which is or was medieval Dutch for "so ordinary" Huh
You can just do a pic of the seal if you want and I'll flip it Wink
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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2015, 07:18:00 PM »

Hmm, this is a tough one Geoff.

I can see now that what I thought was an "I" is the tail of the hare. I'm not certain the first letter is "S", but if it is there doesn't appear to be the usual contraction mark after it to indicate "Sigillum".

That leaves as far as I can see "STEORET WOME WAT".

It is one of the scenes described as "the world upside down", and sometimes the inscriptions of these were in English.

Maybe it's WOME WAT STEORET. with the first words maybe equating to "Whom What"?
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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2015, 07:20:15 PM »

...or maybe "What Steoret Whom"?
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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2015, 08:40:44 PM »

Great find Paul, and stunning condition too Wink lets hope someone cracks the legends  Huh  Grin
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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2015, 10:49:23 PM »

Te Oret (according to google translate) means 'I pray'

although I had thought maybe the legend was 'Wone Nut to Open' Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2015, 10:06:12 AM »

Thanks for all your input guys and Geoff, does this picture help ? Done another mold. Wink


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