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Author Topic: Silver Saxon penny of Anlaf Guthfrithsson  (Read 11524 times)
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« on: August 03, 2015, 01:07:18 PM »

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I'm a coin collector and not so long time ago I purchased saxon penny. I'm not specialist in hammered coins. Just want to make sure that this coin is genuine.

Any information about the coin are welcome. Looks like London mint.



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« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2015, 09:23:05 PM »

Well who knows? There was one that sold recently on CNG for $29,000, Mike Vosper has recently sold one with cracks for £2500 and there's part of one for sale on Timeline for £400+. St James' has one for £15k.

There are also Pewter replicas.

What you have should be:-

Raven Penny, c20mm, c1.3g, c939-941, +AN.LAF CVNVNGS. Raven with wings displayed, hd. l./+, +ADELFERD MINETR, Aethelferd.
Struck at York.

I'd start by getting someone to do a silver test on the coin.

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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2015, 10:11:53 PM »

Very interesting coin if genuine.

But what made you purchase an apparently very rare coin if you knew nothing about it?

As already said by probono, this coin does not appear to match the extant known examples.

The reverse appears to have the legend + DENEILD MONE or something similar.

If correct, DENEILD would be the name of the moneyer. The coin has nothing to do with London.

There was a moneyer named Deinolt who struck the St Eadmund memorial coinage some 30-40 years earlier, which seems to be the closest I can find.

I would suggest submitting the coin to the Fitzwilliam Museum for an opinion.

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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2015, 08:42:40 AM »

I know that at Jorvik you can strike some pennies - the reverse strike on this one seems almost as if it has been struck multiple times - certanily the example I have was struck more than once...... (note that mine is a different type of viking coin)
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2015, 11:39:21 AM »

I'm on my holiday at the moment and I'm unable to send that coin to museum for verification, but I will do that when I'm back. I found few examples on google but not with deneild moneyer
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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2015, 07:40:47 PM »

Where did you get it from Pablo? was it a reputable dealer.

The same type coin shown in photo sold in May but a unrecorded moneyer.


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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2015, 10:18:48 PM »

iam not convinced the lettering looks odd on the triple strike side, maybe its just me but if its genuine good luck Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2015, 10:35:03 PM »

I bought that coin on ebay from 40+ year old lady. She had only few fedbacks and her ebay account is only few months old - suspicious I know, but  I've made a few good deals with people which had only few feedbacks. I paid £600 for that coin on buy now price listed only for few minutes. I took my chance. Well if it's not genuine I will send it back as item not as described Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2015, 10:47:17 PM »

I admit that triple strike look odd and that cross is little to large if you compare other simillar coins.
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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2015, 11:40:23 PM »

You may think I'm being harsh, but:

You bought this from an eBay seller whose feedback is 3 (all as a buyer of clothing items), who has never sold anything else and whose only other item listed is a pair of shoes!

The item was listed as "anglo saxon coins", with the description, "Saxon coin very rare because of the ravon" (sic).

In my opinion, If it's a fake you deserve to lose your money!

If it's genuine you will have done very well of course, but that's the gamble you take on listings like this.
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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2015, 07:52:06 AM »

doc why do you think I should loose my money? coin is described as a saxon penny if it's not saxon then it's not as described.  That is ebay policy I'm not doing anything wrong.
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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2015, 09:17:50 AM »

I'm not suggesting you're doing anything wrong, but you may be lucky to get your money back.

I do hope it's genuine, as it appears to have been previously unrecorded.
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« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2015, 07:10:14 PM »

The coin doesn't look double struck to me, all the legends are perfectly clear Peter read them fine, if a coin like that has had four hits of the hammer id expect the legends to be a bit of a mess with ghosting from each strike, plus a coin die hasn't even got round edges like that, has someone tried to create the affect of a double strike Huh
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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2015, 09:46:40 PM »

Just seen the listing , it was only a few days ago and you would have no trouble getting a refund as long as you paid by paypal as if not genuine would be not as described Wink
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