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« on: July 13, 2015, 07:25:55 AM »

Hi all,

Found this yesterday in USK, at first I thought it was just a piece of old clag but it is bronze so thought i'd clean and get some opinions. It has a nice green patina when dry.

Appreciate its not easy working with pictures but any thoughts are most welcome  Wink


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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2015, 03:57:17 PM »

Hi all,

Found this yesterday in USK, at first I thought it was just a piece of old clag but it is bronze so thought i'd clean and get some opinions. It has a nice green patina when dry.

Appreciate its not easy working with pictures but any thoughts are most welcome  Wink

I wonder ifs not a [pommel of a sword or dagger(top of handle)..The shape and thick edges discount it as early type flat axe of the Bronze Age..Its early I think..
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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2015, 05:49:51 PM »

Good thought Rob,I can see what you mean,I wonder if it was a pommel in pre-worked state(rough casting).....that's if there were such a thing !!
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2015, 05:30:57 PM »

Thanks both for you suggestions, I will take it to my FLO and see what he thinks too  Wink

After i dug it i thought it may have been a wedge for securing an axe head to the handle but then why chamfered both ends.

If its anything interesting i'll post it up, thanks again  Grin 
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2015, 03:18:34 PM »

I am a stupid boy ,its most probably a pot leg of Medieval Skillen pot with a very thin bowl and three thick legs ..The legs of these pots come in all sizes and thickness..I have found quite a few and seen a complete one in a museum in Yorkshire ..Rob
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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2015, 05:41:11 PM »

Hi Rob,seems that I was also on the wrong track with regards to you "votive axe"
Now you've mentioned "pot-legs" I can see it much more clearly now. LOL !!
Hope you don't mind if I show a pot-leg on your blog,certainly wouldn't like to step out of line.
This bronze pot leg was detected with a Minelab SAFARI,on farmland in West Wales.
It was  at a depth of over eight inches.
And it weigh's in at a hefty fifteen and a half ounces,must been a hell of a pot !!


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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2015, 07:16:51 PM »

Have you checked to see if it's magnetic Chris ?
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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2015, 07:34:11 PM »

Hi Val,the answer to your question is a definate NO,it is not magnetic at all,so bronze it is !!
Thanks for the interest Val👍
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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2015, 11:11:49 PM »

The reason I ask Chris is because it looks like iron.  Given the fact that it's not valuable and there's a lot of early iron making around here it could be a good idea to file a corner and see what's underneath the patina.

Bloomery iron first smelt isn't magnetic and it doesn't rust and it looks that colour. Small ingots were common in small production situations and about 1lb was a common weight.
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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2015, 10:28:16 AM »

Have you checked to see if it's magnetic Chris ?

The almost complete skillet pot I saw Yorkshire had a very thin bowl in bronze ,that was full of holes and you see why the legs survive and not the bowl .. Val old bronze in the ground develops a natural iron pan on the surface..I have seen it on medieval pot legs,a Viking pommel,Roman coins and Bronze Age Axes..It does catch  us all out sometimes...........ROB......
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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2015, 05:44:12 PM »

Hi Val,thanks for further input,I have as you suggested taken a file to the "pot -leg" and there are no obvious colour changes as you suggest that may be present,I don't want to file off any more as ,I know its not valuable, but its quite a few hundred years old,and does not give me the right to partially destroy it !!
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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2015, 07:27:30 PM »

I'm sure you would have seen a beautiful gold glow if it was indeed copper.  Like you said it is probably several hundred years old and is equally as interesting as any coin. More so I think because not so many are recorded and not much interest is taken in them. Plus it says more about a field than any coin.
 
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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2015, 12:01:24 AM »

I thought id show this silver votive axe, its a old find but a recent picture Wink


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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2015, 06:55:44 AM »

Thanks for the example Dale judging by the size and workmanship on yours, i'm starting to discount anything votive!

I am intrigued now and look forward to an opinion from the museum, fingers crossed its not junk  Huh

 
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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2015, 07:15:34 AM »

I bet they will say that it's a Roman Monopoly gaming piece!  Grin
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