Flo Shropshire

[Chef Geoff]

I don't show the Farmer hardly any finds before recording but then again I've made it clear that all finds will be recorded and the vast majority are returned to them afterwards and even those I ask to keep a copy of the PAS record is given.
I have only been asked by two farmers not to record and I honoured their wishes which was easy as I simply never detected their land, I don't have many requirements when asking for permission but recording is the one non-debatable one.
I detect for the love of the hobby yes but most of all for what history the finds unlock about the land, as I've said before without recording we are not "saving history" we are stealing it as when we die regardless how lovely our collections they will inevitably be broken up and sold or given away but the importance of relative locations of finds will probably have gone to the grave with us making what could have been an historically important collection into a few boxes of "bits" that hold no more importance than if they had been bought from a Cairo bazaar.   

[Radnor Bandit (Ian)]

Youre being silly if you pardon the phrase

When you are detecting on farmers or landowners fields dependant on the agreement you have if any, all finds on his property as a matter of courtesy should be brought to the land owners attention and discuss whether he wants the items recorded, bearing in mind that both parties should be reminded the law of the land and act responsibly. If there are no traceable decendants available, would you not question the validity of detecting on ground whereby you have not got permission to detect.

Its just common courtesy to inform the landowner before recording items.

Now doubt you will wish to have the last word  

Parus

[Radnor Bandit (Ian)]

For general recording in the future you may want to go self record,
At least you have access to all your finds and copies of the reports can be printed off and given to your landowners.
Though it initially has to be set up by Peter ( i think just to allow you access the 2nd level security on the PAS website) But the BM or another FLO may be able to do it as well.

[outlaw]

I am not advocating that items that should be recorded through pas, are not, because a given landowner prefers them not to be, as I agree with Geoff that all farms I detect, I also stipulate that I detect as a responsible detectorist. However it is still courtesy  if no agreement is in place between you and the landowner to tell them you intend to record through pas. I cannot see why there would be a problem with that. I have never come across anyone who has asked me not to record.

Jeff at Cpat suggested a while ago that I might start self recording under his watchful eye, I did not feel confident or as knowledgeable as some to self record, I would worry that I might get it wrong.

[Radnor Bandit (Ian)]

There is detailed guide for self recording on the scheme available.
I was given one when I went self record. It explains  how to correctly record objects and what elements and terminology are needed for coherent recording.
All self recorded items are double checked and amended if necessary by FLO anyway ,  so any mistakes arn't a problem.

[Chef Geoff]

You don't have to worry about getting it wrong as long as you can photograph it, measure and weigh it and add a map ref the find itself is checked thoroughly by the FLO so even if it's a hammy and you don't know of who the FLO will do the rest

[outlaw]

Thank you Geoff,

I am collecting a number of silver coins and artefacts that have gone through pas, from Mark Lodwick shortly, and will discuss self recording when we meet up