Civil war Bristol 1644

[Dale]

I thought id show this one, it arrived today its a little short of flan but its still a Bristol (declaration issue) dated sixpence, its off eBay Bristol not mentioned.
It a taught one to get, so im pleased with it as a gap filler.
Iv placed it next to the Booker example, its the same die but im sure there was only 1 die anyway

[JBM]

Well thats a bit different Dale.

Not seen one like it before. Jerry.

[stever]

nice coin mate

[Dale]

Iv posted this $%£"^ (item ) here for a little challenge, I hope I haven't gave to much away? Its not mine but I want it for the collection, it is a rare thing, but its priced a little strong with no give in the price iv had in hand a copper, brass and a silver one im sure the prince would of had a gold?

We've chatted before about pierced coin worn on people for certain reasons, the engraver of this item is linked to all that, you will see why when you have worked it out.
I don't want to make it easy so iv hid half the legends  

[jtalbot0001]

Hi Dale,

That is a great coin you posted for the challange! I have never seen a coin like that before and had to go on Google to research it.

Is it this coin: "M64 - Charles I (1625-1649), Peace or War, 1643, Silver Medal, 29mm, by Thomas Rawlins, laureate draped and cuirassed bust of Charles right, lovelock on shoulder, CAROLVS D G ANG SCO FR ET HIB REX, R (R[awlins]) below bust, rev., Sword and olive branch, crossed between crowned C and R, IN VTRVMQVE PARATVS (Prepared for both, i.e. peace or war), in exergue 1643, (MI I 308/134)".

Is it really a medal rather than a coin? Is it possible to have been used as coinage during the Civil War? How many were made I wonder?

Jon

[Dale]

Hi Dale,

That is a great coin you posted for the challange! I have never seen a coin like that before and had to go on Google to research it.

Is it this coin: "M64 - Charles I (1625-1649), Peace or War, 1643, Silver Medal, 29mm, by Thomas Rawlins, laureate draped and cuirassed bust of Charles right, lovelock on shoulder, CAROLVS D G ANG SCO FR ET HIB REX, R (R[awlins]) below bust, rev., Sword and olive branch, crossed between crowned C and R, IN VTRVMQVE PARATVS (Prepared for both, i.e. peace or war), in exergue 1643, (MI I 308/134)".

Is it really a medal rather than a coin? Is it possible to have been used as coinage during the Civil War? How many were made I wonder?

Jon

Well done jtalbot0001 your spot-on 

Your right it is a medal commemorating the taking of Bristol by Prince Rupert's forces 1643 Thomas Rawlins was employed in making medals and badges for the king's supporters, his work is stunning some of his supporters badges weight up to 20grams, its worth taking a Google and looking at some of his work.

The pierced coins we find are made for the same reason as this Royalist badge,
They must be out there to be found

[probono]

That's a nice rare item - even if the style is a bit too European for my tastes!

[Dale]

That's a nice rare item - even if the style is a bit too European for my tastes!

It is a rare one what's linked to Bristol, but I don't want to pay to much for it for the sake of having one now, another will show soon, a mate has 4 one is gilt, he found it much harder to get a copper, brass example? may be they weren't looked after as much as the silver ones due to the metal value?

[Dale]

That's a nice rare item - even if the style is a bit too European for my tastes!

Probono take a look at this Triple Unite they were all struck showing the king holding a sword and a olive branch, what represented the kings desire for peace rather than war........With he olive branch and sword on the medal it must represent the same

[probono]

Yes - that's true - and I wouldn't mind a triple unite, but I don't think I'll ever be able to afford one now

I suppose what I meant - European-wise is the emptiness of the reverse - in some ways (even though it isn't) it reminds me of some of the Napoleonic coins - and the reverse portrait is quite a lot like the Scottish series. It could also be that it is because the king is facing the wrong way (although I saw a pattern shilling on Monday that was also that way round).