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« on: September 26, 2013, 02:01:23 PM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Hanmer


Owain Glyndwr was raised by my ancestor David Hanmer.
He married David Hanmers daughter Margaret Hanmer. One of their daughters Catrin, married Edmund Mortimer and lived on Carreg Cennen castle. Both margaret and Catrin was taken prisoners and kept in the Tower of London after Owain Glyndwr lost the battle with the English.
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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2013, 09:12:31 AM »

the true prince of was a llewelyn.he was murdered by the english and his daughter was taken away at an early to live in a nunery and brought up as a nun not knowing who she really was
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2013, 09:23:25 AM »

Both true, but Llewelyn was the blood Prince and Owain Glyndwr was the peoples Prince, a true scholar who joined the rebellion against the down trodden Welsh and led them on to the historic raids around the counties.
Currently searching a hide area where Owain Glyndwr and his "Rebels" gathered in our area. Interesting search site, a area which I never knew had so many Battles between tribes in the area.
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2013, 01:58:59 PM »

if you have not heard of the rebecca riots guys look it up.i currently have permission to do land where the conspiriters used to meet on.think they where the earliest welsh trannies but dont quote me on that Roll Eyes
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2013, 07:32:17 PM »

Glyndwrs banner was a gold Rampant Lion on a White background and not the Prince Prince of Wales Red and Yellow banner which is oftenly flown around Wales.
We celebrate the 16th Sept massively in North Wales,do you celebrate Glyndwr Day in South Wales?
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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2013, 09:47:57 PM »

Another Welsh character and Hero was Ifor Bach also known as Ifor ap Meurig
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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2013, 08:21:04 AM »

We celebrate the 16th Sept massively in North Wales,do you celebrate Glyndwr Day in South Wales?


Can't say much is happening on that front in the Newport area, but then it's an area that doesn't come across as being "very" Welsh. Different when I lived out near Llangennech. It seems that as soon as you get west of Swansea people are much more welshy.
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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2013, 08:36:36 AM »

Both true, but Llewelyn was the blood Prince and Owain Glyndwr was the peoples Prince, a true scholar who joined the rebellion against the down trodden Welsh and led them on to the historic raids around the counties.
Currently searching a hide area where Owain Glyndwr and his "Rebels" gathered in our area. Interesting search site, a area which I never knew had so many Battles between tribes in the area.


Glyndwr was distantly related (bloodline) to the Welsh Princes so did have a legitimate (if tenuous) claim.
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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2013, 08:41:30 AM »

Glyndwrs banner was a gold Rampant Lion on a White background and not the Prince Prince of Wales Red and Yellow banner which is oftenly flown around Wales.
We celebrate the 16th Sept massively in North Wales,do you celebrate Glyndwr Day in South Wales?


I thought the red and yellow flag with lions was the Prince of Wales flag and the red and yellow flag with rampant lions (raised up) was the Glyndwr flag?
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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2013, 02:37:04 PM »

Since this thread has mentioned llewellyn, I thought you might like to see this seal of Llewellyn I found, Flintshire area, a couple of years back. Inlikely to be THE Llewellyn but who knows ?


* llewellyn 001.jpg (20.37 KB, 331x322 - viewed 472 times.)
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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2013, 03:21:36 PM »

Since this thread has mentioned llewellyn, I thought you might like to see this seal of Llewellyn I found, Flintshire area, a couple of years back. Inlikely to be THE Llewellyn but who knows ?

Hell of a find if it was. Even so still a very good find
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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2013, 06:14:47 PM »

Glyndwrs banner was a gold Rampant Lion on a White background and not the Prince Prince of Wales Red and Yellow banner which is oftenly flown around Wales.
We celebrate the 16th Sept massively in North Wales,do you celebrate Glyndwr Day in South Wales?


I thought the red and yellow flag with lions was the Prince of Wales flag and the red and yellow flag with rampant lions (raised up) was the Glyndwr flag?

This is Owains Banner.



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« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2013, 06:18:38 PM »

worth a read.
http://www.red-dragon-wales.com/WelshPrinces/OwainGlyndwr_1.htm

http://www.owain-glyndwr-soc.org.uk/

http://www.cefncaer.com/en/crown/

http://medieval-wales.com/5_owain_glyndwr.php

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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2013, 08:24:28 PM »

Glyndwrs banner was a gold Rampant Lion on a White background and not the Prince Prince of Wales Red and Yellow banner which is oftenly flown around Wales.
We celebrate the 16th Sept massively in North Wales,do you celebrate Glyndwr Day in South Wales?


I thought the red and yellow flag with lions was the Prince of Wales flag and the red and yellow flag with rampant lions (raised up) was the Glyndwr flag?

This is Owains Banner.



Thanks.
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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2013, 11:25:13 PM »

It's nice to know your ancestors that far back and their connection to history.

One of these days I'd like to find out if I am related to the de Montforts of Beau desert castle as my family came from there in the 1700s and before.
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