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« Reply #120 on: September 18, 2013, 05:17:32 PM »

Thanks for the reply Carling2, I've just got back in from work.  I'll answer your post later if thats ok when I have a bit more time? Smiley
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« Reply #121 on: September 20, 2013, 04:53:31 PM »

1 don't detect within quarter of a mile of any scheduled sites.
2 don't detect any land either side of known roman roads.
3 no night hawking anywhere period.
4 any site that starts to bring up items of any period over 500 years old ,stop and inform the flo.
5 please get information of any cropmarks off the relevant body before commencing detecting.
6  do not detect within half mile of any present settlement.
7 anything over 300 years old must be recorded
8 the tvc will be srapped seem as you do it for the love of  history not the financial reward.
9 you will all be required to carry a licence that has to be signed by the flo and landowner of any site your on.

I have no issue with any of these Carling, I'd also add "anyone that finds ANYTHING at all gets a week in Goldpanners Cobra with free petrol" 
Sorry its taken me this long to reply had some "real life issues" to deal with.
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« Reply #122 on: September 21, 2013, 12:01:33 PM »

I wouldn't tar all 'public school and ivy leaguers' with the same brush.

Some of us (who wanted to be archies, but haven't done so) might have a more positive view of detecting.

There is some snobbery surrounding detectorists - my in-laws for instance are quite against it (my mother in law is also President of her local historical society) - and it is difficult to change opinions - but doing the 'correct' thing and challenging peoples' perceptions of the detecting fraternity does make a difference.

I'm a member of the Cardiff Archaeological Society - and I might just offer to give a talk on detecting to them (I've also been tempted to write and article for Current Archaeology - I've read every single issue, but my procrastination doesn't help).

The B.B.C..asked Trevor Austin for a interview on what he understood was just a general piece on our hobby ,with a question on nighthawking included........Some of that interview was edited...Trevor was not  happy and he complained to the programme boss that he was not fully informed that they were niitpicking the Nighthawking Survey.........Draw your own conclusions on what you think of certain elements in the media........We can all be made foolish by the enemies of this hobby..You will remember in the ceighties the lettters sent sent to every M..P. ......By the friends of the hobby..That was good P.R. Smiley
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« Reply #123 on: September 21, 2013, 12:19:59 PM »

When was the interview conducted Rob?
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« Reply #124 on: September 21, 2013, 07:38:43 PM »

I recall the interview was on a snowy day a couple of years ago near to the battle of Towton in Yorkshire. The other interviewees included Pete Wilson of English Heritage. There was also another interview by Trevor aired on Countryfile around the same time and out of the woodwork popped up Tony Robinson who was given plenty of air time to rubbish detecting.
Moral of the story - you are wasting your time expecting to get good air time on detecting matters as there is always a hidden agenda as was seen with the story at the start of this thread. The Greek archaeologist, who made his statements on metal detecting, was invited to study his chosen research topic on looting from archaeological sites, at Cambridge University, by none other than Lord Renfrew, current chair of the TVC. A bit more enquiry also showed that one of his supervisors for his PhD is a friend of the vexatious blogger with incredibly itchy underpants's and so the interview with the German media co was a set up from the start as they normally are.
Leave well alone the thoughts of being able to put the case for metal detecting or any other associated issue in a media interview. Remember the old journalist adage -  never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
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« Reply #125 on: September 24, 2013, 08:05:39 PM »

Thanks for the update Remix.
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« Reply #126 on: September 25, 2013, 11:36:31 AM »

its been taken to hysterical levels ,as theres far worse crime going on at night in rural areas ask tony martin.
cattle and sheep rustling, oil storage tanks looted ,plant and machinery worth 1000s stolen.
(which are compensated on insurance)
.i would expect any finds made by hawks to be minor as its difficult enough in daylight to make finds.
but its been ramped up so seriously by certain people ,so that theres now an expensive manhunt going on.
the TV progs now give the impression that a fortune is being stolen at night by hawks whereas its prolly very minor in value and historical interest
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« Reply #127 on: September 26, 2013, 01:46:57 PM »

just enjoy your twilight years  Wink its far easier than banging your head against a wall Grin

My specialist said i had between 10&15yrs for my P.D.....but that f------r does not know how bloodyminded i am Goldpanner and i suspect that your bloodyminded for another 20yrs  Grin Grin
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« Reply #128 on: September 26, 2013, 03:12:23 PM »

 Wink your so very wrong ,im past being bloody minded ,,  Wink I just don't give a monkeys Grin,,so I tell it like it is.
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« Reply #129 on: September 26, 2013, 09:38:03 PM »

its been taken to hysterical levels ,as theres far worse crime going on at night in rural areas ask tony martin.
cattle and sheep rustling, oil storage tanks looted ,plant and machinery worth 1000s stolen.
(which are compensated on insurance)
.i would expect any finds made by hawks to be minor as its difficult enough in daylight to make finds.
but its been ramped up so seriously by certain people ,so that theres now an expensive manhunt going on.
the TV progs now give the impression that a fortune is being stolen at night by hawks whereas its prolly very minor in value and historical interest
Galoshers you are right there are worse crimes going on, but that doesn't mean that farmers are not concerned by nighthawking on their land. Most farmers take a dim view of any intrusion on their land especially when an illegal metal detectorist has left his newly seeded field full of holes!

Geoff and Carling are right about the biggest danger coming from within the hobby itself. I made an earlier post on this thread about alleged hoards being sold off through dealers. It was said that this was in the realms of myths and legends and really just Chinese whispers. I used the word 'alleged' loosely as all the incidents I believe to be fact. I have actually seen photos of one hoard. The other incidents did not come down to me via a long chain either. From what I have gleaned over the years I believe it has been a big problem in my County and probably still is.

Yes some detectorists struggle to find any thing decent, and most finds are run of the mill. However, there are other detectorists who are consistently blessed with good luck. Sometimes it is just that 'good luck' but also it is a question of good research and having prime land. A Nighthawker is not constrained by getting permissions, they will just go where they like, and when they like. I imagine most Nighthawkers just bumble along with very little reward. Others are very well organised and professional in their approach. Be under no illusion, they are finding items of both monetary value and historical significance.

I will not go into more depth on this site as it will only serve to drag the hobby down more. If anyone would like to know more I will be only too happy to discuss in more detail via a pm or by phone.

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« Reply #130 on: September 26, 2013, 10:10:05 PM »

Just one point I'd like to make here outside of what Cardiffian has already said is in relation to

very minor in value and historical interest

The historical importance of finds is relative to where they were found and very few are of little interest, each is a piece of a jigsaw puzzle for the history of a site, condition is of no importance, function is. Wink
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« Reply #131 on: September 28, 2013, 01:59:25 PM »

i know a gent who is a hawk ,he gives me reports about his nocturnal habits.its like a Benny Hill sketch ,chased by farmers with searchlights in the am ,bumping into and rowing with other hawks in the am, lampers out with rifles and getting into arguments with them .generally farting around with no results .
he has to park miles away and walk as the cops are soon onto a lone parked car .

occasionally he finds a coin but not often ,its mostly a complete waste of time and petrol .
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« Reply #132 on: September 28, 2013, 02:57:26 PM »

And you haven't reported him?
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« Reply #133 on: September 28, 2013, 03:39:34 PM »

I wouldn't be happy sitting there  hearing his stories knowing how this person's  spoiling your hobby he won't  get away with it forever i hope.
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« Reply #134 on: September 28, 2013, 05:04:06 PM »

as myself and others have stated the danger to this hobby lies within itself ,,and what if galoshers reports his nighthawking friend ,, the guy will only deny it or probably put some surprising names into the mix of known associates ,,I know it happened to me once after some bloke approached me to go nighthawking,,the guy denied it when confronted but he gave me a list of his nightmates  Grin
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