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« on: March 02, 2013, 11:35:16 AM »
well my mum and dad gave me this medallion yesterday that they have had for many years aquired from somewhere, it looks very old and has some patina damage, there is some writing around the edge which i cant make out except for a cross near the top, a 'V' and maybe some 'O' or 'E's, cant see any thing on the back.

So a little help would be much appreciated
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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2013, 01:15:14 PM »
Harness mount? Looks old
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2013, 02:10:13 PM »
harness pendant

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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2013, 05:19:00 PM »
A harness mount. From what date would you estimate and who would have worn it, romans? Thanks for your help
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2013, 05:34:04 PM »
The lettering is hard to make out because it is in reverse. It reads 'AVE MARIA GRACIA PLE'.

This implies that it is either intended as a seal matrix, or was made by an illiterate craftsman who wasn't aware that the lettering would appear in reverse when cast.

Could you post a picture of the back please?

I am wondering whether this is a modernish attempt to imitate a medieval item.
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2013, 05:48:59 PM »
I will upload a picture of the back tommorow as im out at the min, but as i say i cant see anything on the back
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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2013, 06:05:02 PM »
OK thanks. What size is it also?
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2013, 06:14:23 PM »
I will get back to you with the correct sizes but its pretty small thats the best i can come up with without having it with me. Approx 2-2.5 cm from top to bottom
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2013, 07:00:04 PM »
Lovely find as Peter says it reads "hail mary full of grace" and is a Museum of London type IV pendant dating between 1270-1370. The thoughts are that it is representational of one (or more) of the military religious orders...Templars, Hospitalers etc. Whether they were used by the knights or sold as a way to raise funds to help towards the crusade isn't known.
The reversed legend legend isn't unknown and could be either someone just getting it totally wrong or some strange believe that the Muslims may be able to understand it easier as their writing runs from right to left Huh
This is a similar one reversed.
http://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts/record/id/8130
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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2013, 07:26:14 PM »
Wow brilliant pieces of infomation from every one  very interesting indeed. Hope its a genuine article will post sizes and a reverse pic tommorow tho. Thanks
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2013, 09:22:29 PM »
Wow - that's quite interesting - and to see that it is as old as it is too
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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2013, 05:49:01 PM »
well here is the back of what is believed to be a harness pendant and here are the sizes too.

height: 2.7cm
width: 1.9cm
thickness: 1.5 to 2mm

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