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« on: November 28, 2012, 04:36:03 PM »

well that got you looking.  Grin Grin Grin

After an early start to try and avoid the rush hour bottle neck in a local town, i reached the detecting site around 8.35am A quick exchange of pleasantries with my colleague and we were off.

my first signal of the day, produced the only hammered of the day, and as soon as i saw what it was, Bangor Citizen came to mind ...... enjoy it young man

the second signal gave me the dress hook, and i thought wow .. this is going to be a good day ..... however after that there were the usual buttons and musket balls.

one lovely little button, last piccy, is no more than 3mm diameter, and it has a complete shank. I'm well chuffed with that. Its the tiniest button i've ever found.

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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2012, 05:14:24 PM »

Well done on the fastener Alan Wink I would think the button only being 3mm is probably the centre "back" of a two piece button.

As for that commonwealth bit of tat...well I hate you lol
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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2012, 05:18:19 PM »

Good one on the Hammie Al, there`s a great debate going on, on another forum about these & whether they are "cromwell" or "Commonwealth" coins or both  Undecided They are always a welcome sight to unearth whatever & in my mind due to dates etc they are "Cromwell" but that`s for another discussion, well done on the rest, it was bl**dy cold out there today !  Wink
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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2012, 05:24:33 PM »

Good one on the Hammie Al, there`s a great debate going on, on another forum about these & whether they are "cromwell" or "Commonwealth" coins or both  Undecided They are always a welcome sight to unearth whatever & in my mind due to dates etc they are "Cromwell" but that`s for another discussion, well done on the rest, it was bl**dy cold out there today !  Wink

What is there to debate Huh Oliver Cromwell was the head of the commonwealth, the only reason some coins are actually called Cromwell coins is because they have his bust and name on them but they span exactly the same years.
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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2012, 05:59:30 PM »

Thx Geoff for the comment re the button back .. i'll take a good look at it tomorrow, and get back to you on it.

mickey -- it wasn't cold at all, [despite my head cold], i was all wrapped up, snug as a bug in a rug, in my all in one ski suit! Perfectly designed clothing for cold weather ... thoroughly recommend it.

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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2012, 06:06:15 PM »

Btw ... just going through the rest of my finds bag and came across this little token.

Using PDS Waddels reference book, tokens and checks, i find it listed.

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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2012, 06:50:52 PM »

What is there to debate Huh Oliver Cromwell was the head of the commonwealth, the only reason some coins are actually called Cromwell coins is because they have his bust and name on them but they span exactly the same years.


Well Geoff, as you ask ... The Cromwell coinage comes after the Commonwealth in the Spinks, point 1
 & they give the commonwealth dates as 1649 - 1660. Yet funnily enough under "Cromwells reign if we can call it that, NO DATE is given for his coins.
So yes technically his coins were outside the commonwealth dates ,I read it says Cromwells coins were actually not intended for circulation, Point 2 ... i await with anticipation your reply my friend !
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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2012, 07:08:34 PM »

You didn't read it properly did you LOL
Point 1
Comonwealth coins 1649-1660
Cromwell coins        1657-1658 (he died in 1658 and so couldn't be outside the dates of the Commonwealth)
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"there is nothing to suggest that the portrait coins of Oliver Cromwell were not intended for circulation"

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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2012, 07:12:59 PM »

If you read the spink definition, it states

"Portrait coins of OC were not intended for circulation. However, the first full production, came in 1657, wioth second more plentiful production in 1658, before his death in Se[tember that year.

So one could argue that Cromwell coins are a subsidiary class of the overall classification under the heading of commonwealth coins which cover the period 1649 - 1660.

Personally, this is where one now starts to play the game of semantics, and as such, is largely irrelevant unless the experts who define the classification groups, change their decision.
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2012, 07:15:17 PM »

if i find 1 i will worry about it then  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2012, 07:17:05 PM »

Alan I think you have misquoted the text, the sentence starts on the line above "portrait"
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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2012, 07:17:32 PM »

if i find 1 i will worry about it then  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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can i have half shares if you do!!  Grin Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2012, 07:18:45 PM »

Alan I think you have misquoted the text, the sentence starts on the line above "portrait"

ah the double double negative ... that always catches me out!


it should read "........ there is in fact nothing to suggest that the portrait coins of OC were not intended for circulation.
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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2012, 07:23:40 PM »

See Geoff,i knew there was a "Debate" to be had !  Grin
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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2012, 07:26:26 PM »

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