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Author Topic: Minelab XS: Fast and Deep, or, Fast or Deep?  (Read 8782 times)
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« on: August 31, 2012, 07:45:05 PM »

I have had my XS for twelve years and in that time have had more than my fair share of success. After having had it for 6 months I attended a rally and got into a conversation with another user. He asked me if I had it set on Fast and Deep. I said that I thought it could only be used in one or the other functions. He informed me that all the users that were 'finding' were running their machines in both modes at the same time. I heeded his advice and my finds rate increased rapidly.

About 7 years ago at the first big Weekend Wanderers dig at Wantage, my mate and I discussed this with Desmond Dunne, who was in attendance specifically to discuss the use of the XS. Although coy at first, he admitted that when the XS first came out they were getting feedback from users in Oz that they were achieving better results by running the XS in Fast and Deep at the same time. It is not something that is recommended in the manual, and he said it should be inconceivable that the two functions should work together. However, he admitted that it seems that for some reason beyond comprehension that they had hit on something that defied explanation.

I realise that my increased success may have just been a case of getting used to the machine and getting better land etc. I am
interested in hearing the views of other XS users and how they use the Fast and Deep functions
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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2012, 09:29:08 PM »

Interesting thread Alan, I honestly have to say that I've never tried both on as like you say, all the information says "Don't". Using the SEF coils I've found it better to run with both off and a slight increase of signal on low conductor when fast is on.
You have roused my curiosity enough for me to give it a go Huh I'll try some tests on some test peices tomorrow and see what it can do with both turned "ON"
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« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2012, 10:07:50 PM »

Hi Geoff. Since that time I have never taken it off of fast and deep. Speaking to Desmond Dunne reaffirmed this this for me. I realise that it could be that my finds rate improved with better sites etc. However. I feel that Desmond Dunne's comments 7 years down the line indicate to me that once they became aware of it they were not able to disprove what they were being told.

Last year I felt that my machine, or I, wasn't performing. I found that somehow I was in only one of the settings. I put them both back on and felt my finds rate once more improved. Again, it could be coincidental and a state of mind thing. I will be interested to see how you get on with your tests. I may try to experiment a bit myself on a proven and productive site. Maybe an hour on different parts of a field, on each setting, with the last hour running on both and see how my finds rate compares.
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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2012, 02:25:25 AM »

Very interesting post im going to give this a go over the weekend  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2012, 06:13:17 AM »

i run both "on " , on my explorer 11................  Cool you ought to buy an Ultimate 13 "coil of Chef Geoff and whack that on , im sure you'll be pleasantly surprised   Grin Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2012, 08:09:13 AM »

That is a very interesting topic. I've had my XS Mk 1, 12 years and only on a couple of occasions run it on both Fast & Deep together, without noticing any improvement in finds etc, but that is because I  kept thinking I was running wrong. I will re-set mine and see how it all goes. If Desmond D says it's Ok then that is good enough for me.
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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2012, 03:09:46 PM »

I have always run my ExplorerII in fast and deep mode - I am pretty happy with the results. Although it is time to update my coil - be chatting to you tomorrow about it Cheffy!

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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2012, 03:49:02 PM »

Neil you are certainly loosing things using both with the Exp II Sad
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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2012, 04:00:00 PM »

well he's not doing bad the jammy old git Grin
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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2013, 03:32:52 PM »

so what was the outcome guys...i know this is an old thread but i have recently acquired the xs ...was very interestedin the  tests results?
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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2013, 05:18:40 PM »

i run both "on " , on my explorer 11................  Cool you ought to buy an Ultimate 13 "coil of Chef Geoff and whack that on , im sure you'll be pleasantly surprised   Grin Grin Grin Grin

I was (i.e how my find rate changed after putting the Ulitmate coil on) Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2013, 07:38:02 PM »

The chap that found the gold bracelet was using a minelab se pro with a self coil and he had his set to deep.
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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2013, 08:10:28 PM »

Hi Legio. I didn't get round to do my test. Was struggling with the weight and am now not using the Explorer XS. Using a Deus now with the Explorer as a back up. Will be interesting to hear if Geoff carried out any tests.
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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2013, 08:15:33 PM »

deadlock set to deep only i presume not fast at same time?cardiff-how do you compare both machines other than weight im guessing not a lot in it ? ,yes cmon geoff did you do the test?i have geoffs  old machine be interested in results
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