2 cloths seals from yesterday

[Mike]

i found these 2 at the swansea rally yesterday , any idea on age anyone

[Chef Geoff]

Mike they're not cloth but bag seals from Edward Webb and Sons from the late 19th early 20th century. The sacks would of held bone meal fertilizer.

[Mike]

Mike they're not cloth but bag seals from Edward Webb and Sons from the late 19th early 20th century. The sacks would of held bone meal fertilizer.

cheers geoff , found loads of these over the years , nice 2 know what age they are

[Jassy]

i love finding those seals ,lovely mike!

[Chef Geoff]

They can be older Mike and some that shape can be cloth or silk seals, but the ones with Webbs on are from the turn of the century.

[Napoleon]

Hi Mike i had one too at the rallie  its a Henry Tate & Sons . see the example picture in better conditions the one i had, i do like them they are nice to collect.

[Val Beechey]

Mike, just a small correction on Geoffs I.D. of your Bag Seal. If it had been fertiliser it would have Webbs Manure Co. stamped on it and would indeed have been late 1800's / early 1900's.
Webbs seals with the wheat sheath on them were off seed bags and could be earlier, but not much.

Sorry to contradict Geoff.

Nordine, Your Bag Seal is off a suar bag produced by Henry Tate and Sons, Liverpool. He was born 1819, the Son of a Clergyman and started the sugar empire that was to become 'TATE and LYLE'

Val

[Chef Geoff]

Thanks Val I honestly didn't know that, always good to learn something new. Was it the same company?

[Val Beechey]

Very magnanimous of you Geoff.
I only know because I found one in that moated field of nightmares and did some checking up on it. Yes they were the same company. Webbs branched out and bought another company in the 1890's who specialised in guano. According to what I read they never really made a success of it and sold it (I think) in 1914. Very sort shelf life.!!
I didn't get round to posting a picci for some reason. Mine has WEBB & SONS - TRADE MARK - and the trade mark itself, an oval, wheat sheaves within, box above, where 'By Royal Consent' would have been and a Crown above.
Reverse has WEBB and SONS and a place name, (Saltney p'raps) around the edge and MANURE WORKS in the centre. Cracking little seal (I think) with not much rubbing and only minor clips.
Thats what I love about detecting, the finding out. Am I sad or what.

Val

[Val Beechey]

P.S.  Never thought to ask Mike what was on the other side !!!!  If it's stamped Manure Works  then Geoff was right all along.

Val

[Zeus (Joel)]

i've found a webbs bag seal sunday also but it's ot in the scrap bucket 

[Napoleon]

  between us we going to open a bag seal business , thanks Val very informative  .Nordine