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Title: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: xterra on May 07, 2010, 01:57:49 PM
Hi People,

I'm wondering which of these two machines to buy either the Minelab E-trac or the XP Deus????

I'm using a MineLab Xterra 70 at the moment which has been good to be fair but want to up grade.

Any help would be much appreciated.

 ;D


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: viking on May 07, 2010, 02:10:06 PM
only now i bought my etrac but im sure when more people join the forum later. u should have a lot of replies... until i get use to mine i cant tell u... cheers vik


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Salty (Karl) Cardiff Scan Club on May 07, 2010, 04:59:19 PM
I'll probably get bricked by my detecting partner RJM on this, Prepare for the worms to be opened ;D
The e-trac weighs about the equivalent of a transit van compared to the Deus,The recovery speed is significantly slower too, but
the E-trac is a Full band spectrum machine, it works perfectly on ALL soil types without falsing and you dont get good signals off hot rocks(with the sensitivity set properly), perfect on wet sand, never needs to be ground balanced (noise canceled yes, to remove interference from other machines). Its definitely a deep machine, but the Deus has good depth too considering the coil size.
The e-trac has better discrimination with its multi tones, but this can drive some people nuts, the Deus will give you two, or four (so will the E-trac BTW, but i prefer to use all of its tools in the tool box so to speak).
The Deus is lighting fast on recovery,RJM can cover 1000Yards whilst i've covered about 100!!, but i go slow and low, and to be honest, i think my find recovery rate is better, but RJM is still learning his machine.
I see the Deus as a rally machine, when its clear what you want to find I.E. roman or hammered in ploughed field, so you want to cover a lot of ground quickly to best effect with as little arm fatigue as you can, the Deus should excel here, but on your own field when time is yours and you want to dig those iffy signals once youve cleaned up on the simple finds, then , i feel , the E-0trac will be king of the hill.
I've had my E-trac coming up to 12 months now, i'd never part with her, she has done me proud, but i'm saving for a Deus too, just for the rallies (apart from anything else it folds down small enough to stuff under your jacket and carry on the bus!).
It's a tough choice, best decided by what you want to use them for, your physical fitness and familiarity with the minelab multi tones.
The E-trac is the best all rounder in my opinion though.
Salty :)


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: xterra on May 07, 2010, 05:53:22 PM
Thanks for that its a great help!   ;D


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: StumbledUpon on May 07, 2010, 06:18:54 PM
Excellent post Salty. :)


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Sexy Legs (Leighton) on May 07, 2010, 06:44:00 PM
Welcome to DW, X-Terra. You should come to our next rally, when it's organised.

:)


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: PHIL YNYSBOETH on May 07, 2010, 09:02:30 PM
Good Informative post Karl  ;D


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on May 20, 2010, 09:03:54 PM

I agree with most that Karl has written. I can't really choose as I haven't used the E Trac but have used the Safari
and had a couple of Minelab Sovereigns.

The Deus is the only single frequency machine I have used that will knock out hot rocks and still pick up foil, hammereds etc.

It should be remembered that the Deus has a 9" coil against the E Trac's 11" so the E Trac will get a bit deeper and ID better at depth, at the moment. A 13 x 11 coil is out later this year which I think will have the beating of the E Trac.

The Deus will do wet sand but only 30-40% of the efficiency of the E Trac. However, later this year you will be able to use the Deus and yourself totally submerged in water (The control box goes in a waterproof I-pod bag with waterproof headphones).

The Deus is, the fastest recovering machine from target to target on the market. It's so good it will pick up, for example, 2 or 3 mm of ring pull sticking out from under an iron bar several inches above.

You can alter the tones from 1 to 4 and even adjust the tone for various targets. Also, choose your search frequency and up the transmit power.

I'm not going to knock the E Trac as it is an excellent machine and could have been so much better if Minelab had
made it lighter with cordless headphones, etc.

You pays your money and takes your choice.

I've used dozens and dozens of machines over the years and the Deus is the best as far as I'm concerned due to it's versatility and lightness.

The E Trac is good. It takes a while to get to use it properly like Karl, but it does the business when used low and slow.

Good luck choosing !!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: xterra on May 23, 2010, 12:59:16 PM
Thanks rjm, that's very interesting reading!
Think i'm going to get the etrac for now because of the waiting list of the XP Deus.



Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on May 23, 2010, 08:28:11 PM
Thanks rjm, that's very interesting reading!
Think i'm going to get the etrac for now because of the waiting list of the XP Deus.




There's a waiting list for one reason.......because the Deus is good!

If you can't wait then get a second hand E Trac for about £800. Not too bad at that price and if you can't hack the weight and slow recovery then you'll get most of your money back.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Rob on July 11, 2010, 02:15:07 PM
Have a friend who has both and has tested them heaps he says the ETrac is better on the beach without a doubt and on pasture etc, he has however had a little bit more luck on rolled soil with the Deus, the ETrac is also multi tone and does not need many parts charged up each time, his view is the Etrac is the better machine

My views is I havent bought a Deus and probably wont :P


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Bryn81 on July 19, 2010, 06:32:58 PM
Deus for me for sure, plus will be geting extra depth from the new coil thats due out next year. cant wait ;D


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Chef Geoff on July 19, 2010, 06:42:43 PM
Yes but it's going to be over £400 for a coil :o
it will be deeper because it's bigger, stick a larger coil on the etrac and your back to square one, plus it won't cost you half that.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Bryn81 on July 19, 2010, 07:00:00 PM
i have spoken to a large amount of people who have had both machines as well as dealers who sell both the e trac and the Deus, and 9 times out of 10 when asked which they think is their favourite they say the Deus because of the amount of finds, recovery speed, the weight, how easy it is to use compared to the etrac and the fact it can go just as deep if not deeper than the etrac with the 9" coil.

i do think that the Deus is a little expensive at the moment but again if it is going to increase the amount of finds you get in my books its worth it.

not forgetting tho the e trac is an amazing machine  :)


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Chef Geoff on July 19, 2010, 07:09:16 PM
We must be talking to different dealers then and I'm in the business. lol. Don't get me wrong the Deus is a fantastic bit of kit and the reason the coil will be so expensive is that you will have in effect two detectors (1 controlled by the headphones and the other by the handset) But your right when you say the lightness is a winner as is the recovery speed (normal for XP).
I'm afraid who ever told you that the Deus with the 9" coil is deeper than the Etrac was pulling your leg, Though it does seem to grab smaller targets better.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Bryn81 on July 19, 2010, 07:43:26 PM
what your a dealer too? do you sell both machines? can you elaborate for me why you believe the e trac is the better machine of the two  :)


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Chef Geoff on July 19, 2010, 08:16:06 PM
No Not a dealer, I supply dealers.
Not better... different. If I was out doing general detecting then I would prefer the Deus as it is much lighter and would be happy with the depth which does seem to be very good and is better around iron, however if I was to find a very good site and had cleaned up the obvious signals, I would then go over it with the Etrac as it's target id (tonal) is far more accurate and when run "wide open" and maxed out is the deepest vlf machine on the market at present.
It is also better on beaches, but there again if I were to detect beaches in earnest, out of all Vlf's I would choose a Sovereign as it is deeper than either of the former.
So horses for courses.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Bryn81 on July 19, 2010, 08:39:43 PM
oh rite so your saying from a personal choice you would opt for the e trac.
well it does seem like there is alot of people on this forum who actually think like you do with regards to the etrac.

to be honest its just making a decisoin harder for me with regards to which machine to actually choose. and part with some gard earned cash incase the decision was the wrong one lol


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: handyman [Alan} on July 19, 2010, 08:47:00 PM
try before you buy -- some dealers have test beds which allow u to do that


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Bryn81 on July 19, 2010, 08:51:08 PM
try before you buy -- some dealers have test beds which allow u to do that

which dealers do this? any idea?


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Chef Geoff on July 19, 2010, 09:02:15 PM
I don't think there is a right or wrong one, only a personal one. As I said earlier in this thread if I had the money in my hand right now and no detector I would probably buy the Deus. We measure  a good detector too much by it's depth capabilities, Yes you need better than average depth when paying over £1000 for a machine, but enjoyment of use should be factored in and that is probably where the Deus does score against the Etrac.
If people want depth then they should buy a Nautilus which is only £700 new and knocks spots of the other two regarding depth but is an absolute pig to keep stable.
Also we fall for the bells and whistles so easily, Minelab were extolling the power of the new processors when the Etrac came out, well sorry Minelab my £40 phone has got far more processing power than the etrac. And XP are talking about there new wireless technology well once again sorry but my television remote control has been doing it for 30 years.
There is no doubt that we pay far too much for our detectors with no one to blame but ourselves the promise of riches is very alluring.
The reality is that since the early 80's depth has not increased pro-rata with cost. We have larger standard coils which instantly increases depth.


You pays your money you takes you chance.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Chef Geoff on July 19, 2010, 09:05:02 PM
Joan allen always had one but not sure if they still do. If you are contemplating buying these machines I would really consider visiting a dealer to just get a feel for them and not just do mail order.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Chef Geoff on July 19, 2010, 09:08:57 PM
And beware when speaking to dealers they do have a "profit" axe to grind, also some are more aligned to Regtons (XP) and others feel there  best interests lie with Joan Allen (Minelab).


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Bryn81 on July 19, 2010, 09:12:30 PM
most of the big dealers are miles away from me as i live in north wales, but i gues it would be worth the drive.

you've been very helpfull chef(geoff ) im sure you will have helped alot of people with your posts. thanks :)


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Chef Geoff on July 19, 2010, 09:19:05 PM
I know it's still a bit of a drive but what about Evergreen detectors, they are in Church Stoke, Powys. but at least they sell both detectors and being small they are more likely to have a test area.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on July 20, 2010, 10:50:35 AM
I know it's still a bit of a drive but what about Evergreen detectors, they are in Church Stoke, Powys. but at least they sell both detectors and being small they are more likely to have a test area.

I bought my XP Deus from Evergreen (and some other detectors too) and they are very keen on price and will do the best part exchange they can. Tim, the owner is very friendly and an honest guy. Highly recommended dealer.



Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: nfl on July 20, 2010, 06:15:02 PM
i have also brought machines from evergreen ,cant fault em ,friendly,helpfull,they also have a small store in knighton so if thats closer for you ask about collection from there


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Bryn81 on July 20, 2010, 06:29:25 PM
I know it's still a bit of a drive but what about Evergreen detectors, they are in Church Stoke, Powys. but at least they sell both detectors and being small they are more likely to have a test area.

any ideas if they do any discounts on the Deus at all or price match maybe as i can get one for £1300 brand new.

was actually thinking about popping down there on saturday and taking a look and to have a good chat with someone with more experience than myself.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on July 20, 2010, 06:40:44 PM


I would ring first to check that they have a Deus/E Trac in stock.

I looked at their website earlier and I didn't see the Deus which was on there previously.

I would advise that if you intend going detecting for more than a couple of hours each session then give due consideration to the Deus. The E Trac is good but after a couple of hours you will know you are using it, and you'll start taking frequent breaks!!!!

I'm 5'11" and not exactly a weakling and after 2 hours I noticed the weight. Don't say you weren't warned!!

If you decide on an E Trac then you can get one virtually new for about £800. The standard coil is excellent so don't be swayed on spending extra on SEF.




Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Bryn81 on July 20, 2010, 06:53:48 PM


I would ring first to check that they have a Deus/E Trac in stock.

I looked at their website earlier and I didn't see the Deus which was on there previously.

I would advise that if you intend going detecting for more than a couple of hours each session then give due consideration to the Deus. The E Trac is good but after a couple of hours you will know you are using it, and you'll start taking frequent breaks!!!!

I'm 5'11" and not exactly a weakling and after 2 hours I noticed the weight. Don't say you weren't warned!!

If you decide on an E Trac then you can get one virtually new for about £800. The standard coil is excellent so don't be swayed on spending extra on SEF.




what does the etrac actually weigh? my first choice is the Deus, but i guess i wont rule the etrac out until i have tried both or had a decent test anyway. it seems like they are pretty evenly matched


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on July 20, 2010, 06:55:56 PM
From memory the ET is 3.5 lbs+  (without battery and 4.8 lbs with battery) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Deus is 998 grams (from memory)........ ;D    (1.9 lbs)


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Bryn81 on July 20, 2010, 07:23:43 PM
wow that is a big difference. something to consider i guess.

whats the Deus like on the beach any idea?


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on July 20, 2010, 07:44:45 PM


I've extensively used the Deus on the beach (wet sand) and it works fine. Had loads of rings and coins.

However, the Minelab is king, probably the best being the Sovereign.

I've used the Sovereign (had two over the years) and it just loves wet black sand.....and goes deep!


Later this year they are bringing out a coil mod which will enable you to hunt totally under water (with the Deus control box in a waterproof I-pod bag and waterproof headphones)

I have the waterproof bag and headphones (about £6 total off E bay) and await the coil mod. Now there's something the Sovereign can't do!





Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Bryn81 on July 20, 2010, 07:52:21 PM
sounds like the Deus has really impressed you? guess i just need to make a decision and stick to it  :)


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on July 20, 2010, 07:57:38 PM


Yes I'm impressed.

The E Trac is very good but I just couldn't cope with the weight which is the same as the Safari.

If you do the beaches a lot  then picking up an E Trac for about £800 is very tempting.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Bryn81 on July 20, 2010, 08:07:26 PM
i have alot of farm land where i live with roman villas,settlements and also a desserted medievil village so this will take up most of my time.

like the idea of beach detecting tho, lot of money to be found and rings  :)


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on July 20, 2010, 08:08:06 PM
I should add that these are my opinions and some may not agree!

My friend uses an E Trac (and does very well) but fancies a Deus for extended use such as on rallies.

A Deus on interest free from Regton has to be tempting. Bear in mind that a 13 x11 coil is due out for the Deus later this year (no one knows the cost but guesstimates are £400-£500) so if this puts you off you will have to be happy with the 9" standard coil...

Decisions, decisions !!   LOL  ;)



I shouldn't really be answering as I'm a converted Deus lover: As you can see.  ;)


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Bryn81 on July 20, 2010, 08:20:50 PM
is this new coil going to make £400 worth of a difference do you think? and how much do you think the mod that allows it to be used underwater would cost?

 i guess the Deus has a lot of potential as its really still quite a new detector on the market.

its my birthday sunday so i need to decide by then  ;D


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on July 20, 2010, 08:32:07 PM


Personally I'd go for the Deus for it's lightness, fast response, versatility and quick learning curve.

If you don't like it you will get most of your money back.

The 9" coil is sufficient and more than capable. I'm a detecting geek and an old fool and can afford to buy the new coil.
Whether it's worth £400+ is down to personal choice.

The coil mod shouldn't be very much. It's more like an aerial to allow the wireless signal to travel through water. I'd guess £50.

The headphones on the Deus are lovely to use. In summer as they are so light and airy and winter as you can have them under your hood or cap.

On the beach, put the control box in the waterproof I-pod bag and you've nothing to worry about damaging. The bag I have has a cord which I tie around my waist. It's see through and even good to use on land when the weather is foul.





Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: nfl on July 20, 2010, 08:35:05 PM
jeez buddy you could buy 2 etacs ,for the same money as a Deus with a new coil ,,,,was considering beetween the 2 for the end of this year think i will be staying minelab,,makes more sense finantially and new coils are half the price.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on July 20, 2010, 08:44:51 PM


I know, I know............    I said I was an old fool   ::)


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Bryn81 on July 20, 2010, 08:48:49 PM
i wonder what kind of extra depth you could get from that new coil tho? as said by paulywow its taking the cost of the detector with the new coil to around £1800.

guess the main question is is it worth the extra £££ instead of buying the etrac? i must admit i am still tempted by the Deus tho.

 i just want as many finds as i can get like any detectorist and its deciding which machine is going to do that for me


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on July 20, 2010, 08:56:26 PM


The new coil is designed to get most out of the 4khz frequency and getting larger items at very good depths.

Who can say how deep it'll go. Depends on many things such as soil and object conductivity/size etc.

Obviously it will go deeper than the standars 9" coil but if hammered coin hunting you may well find that the 9" coil will be better.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Bryn81 on July 20, 2010, 09:11:31 PM
ok well thanks for your info its been very helpfull :) guess a trip down to evergreen on saturday is on the cards to test both machines. think the Deus has my money tho ;)


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: nfl on July 21, 2010, 10:01:54 AM
i think its the area you detect and the nature in which you detect which determine how many finds you make, i know some machines are better than others but just cause someone has a £5000 tecter dosent mean they will find gold sovs in a bag of compost ;D


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on July 21, 2010, 10:38:35 AM
i think its the area you detect and the nature in which you detect which determine how many finds you make, i know some machines are better than others but just cause someone has a £5000 tecter dosent mean they will find gold sovs in a bag of compost ;D

Exactly. So sell all your machines and get a basic C-Scope or Webley !!!!!!!!!!  LOL  ;D

No good having great land if your machine won't do the business............


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: nfl on July 21, 2010, 10:41:36 AM
on the other hand no good having a great machine if you aint got the land


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on July 21, 2010, 10:57:09 AM


I'd rather have a corker of a machine than good land and miss loads with a cheapy machine!!!   ;D


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Bryn81 on July 21, 2010, 04:16:58 PM


I'd rather have a corker of a machine than good land and miss loads with a cheapy machine!!!   ;D

agreed  ;D


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: nfl on July 21, 2010, 04:33:47 PM
okey dokey then you can bring your brill machines to my garden ,i aint found nothing there either ;D ;D


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on July 21, 2010, 05:37:34 PM
okey dokey then you can bring your brill machines to my garden ,i aint found nothing there either ;D ;D

Well, it goes to prove our point. Must be what your using !!!!   LOL   ;D


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: nfl on July 21, 2010, 05:41:47 PM
unlike you i dont believe the hype,youlll be telling me next that your machine can find staters in japan ;D ;D


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on July 21, 2010, 05:54:49 PM
unlike you i dont believe the hype,youlll be telling me next that your machine can find staters in japan ;D ;D

No, No, No, don't be stupid................it'll find japs in japan!

I'm not claiming my machine is the best out there. I'm saying, as far as I'm concerned, it's the best I've ever used and I've had a lot. I love using it. I'm not really bothered if others doubt it or believe their machine is the best. In fairness, most of us think we have the best machine. ;)

In a way I'm glad the price is £100 more than the £1249 for an E Trac. It keeps the Deus a bit more exclusive. Many don't bat an eye lid about paying for the E Trac but wince at paying £100 more for the Deus. Doesn't make sense to me.  ???

People ask me what I think and I just tell it as I see it. If it was mediocre I'd say so and sell it on. You can ask me about any machine I've used and I'll give you an honest appraisal. I can't apologise for that!

I didn't buy the Deus because of the hype. I had owned ALL the XP range and was impressed by the build quality and performance and knew the Deus would be the same. As it happened, it surpassed my expectations.  ;D





Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: nfl on July 21, 2010, 06:08:46 PM
im of the opinion that every detecter will only find what what is there in the first place,,i aint knocking the Deus ,have thought about upgrading end of this year to one myself and the only thing that has persuaded me to get a e trac instead is the fact that the coil upgrade is so expensive ,i also believe that the e trac and Deus are pretty similar in performance and me already owning a se seems more sense sticking to minelab as the find rate with this machine has been brilliant or it could be that all my sites read like a book of british history  ;D ;D ;D,,happy hunting fella. 


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on July 21, 2010, 06:41:52 PM
im of the opinion that every detecter will only find what what is there in the first place,,i aint knocking the Deus ,have thought about upgrading end of this year to one myself and the only thing that has persuaded me to get a e trac instead is the fact that the coil upgrade is so expensive ,i also believe that the e trac and Deus are pretty similar in performance and me already owning a se seems more sense sticking to minelab as the find rate with this machine has been brilliant or it could be that all my sites read like a book of british history  ;D ;D ;D,,happy hunting fella. 

If you already own an SE and have an assortment of coils then I can see that it would make sense for you to get an E Trac rather than a Deus.

As I've said, they are both great machines. The big draw back with the E Trac is the weight but then you know what that's like owning an SE.

My friend, Karl is in a similar dilemma. He has about six coils for his E Trac, so although he may well get a Deus he intends keeping the E Trac to use when he has more time (own sites) and use the Deus on rallies.

The 9" coil on the Deus is great and the larger one will really be an optional extra. Yes, at £400-£500 or whatever it will cost, it is very expensive, but it is in effect a detector (It has a battery and processor and transmit/receive hardare built inside it).

In a way I'm lucky I don't have a Minelab with numerous coils. My kids are grown up and I will treat myself. My machine doesn't just sit in a bag and come out one or twice a month. I'm retired and I get out a few times a week detecting so it's money well spent as far as I'm concerned.



Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on July 22, 2010, 10:45:18 AM
    
I think Karl posted this reply in the wrong section hence I've copied it here:



Re: e trac vs xp Deus
« Reply #6 on: 21 July 2010, 22:16:31 »
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o.k. my turn to add my ten penath, I'm Bobs mate, we have been conducting our own comparison tests for many months now, yes, i'm an avid Minelab user, but i wont let this cload my judment.
Firstly, if you already have an SE, dont waste your money on an E-trac, the difference between the two doesent warrent the cash, keep the SE for land that you have time to work.
Do buy the Deus, the recovery speed is lightning, depth is impresive, descrimination is just as good as the E-trac once learnt-as Bob has proved to me,and as a rally machine, i think the Deus is unserpassed,with astonishing seperation around iron.
the E-trac is, in my opinion the best-all round machine on the market,if i had nothing, and could afford it, i would still by an e-trac over anything else out there as my "one and only" machine. but if you already have the SE, as i said, its not worth upgrading in my opinion.
on rallies you want to cover ground quickly and efficiently, thats where the Deus is king.
thats why i'm srubbishing my pennies together for a Deus,by the way, they way about the same as a Biro Wink .
Dont get me wrong, me and my e-trac are best pals,i'd never part with it (or my many coils Bob  Wink ) we work well together, it's just a matter of the best tool for the job,and sometimes the e-trac, whilst addequate, is not always the best, despite what some of the brainwashed minelab brigade on the MLO forum may say Roll Eyes
in testing last week BTW, my old quattro with a 15 x12 SEF was much better (more stable) despite trying numurios setings (yes i do know what i'm doing and have 100's of hours under my belt with a E-trac) than the E Trac with the same setup and/or the pro coil on the beach (dry and wet sand).
so there you have it on my part, i have no brand loyality, i try to get tjhe best tool for the job in hand within reason and cost, like Bob, i tell it as i find it.

Salty Smiley
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Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Bryn81 on July 22, 2010, 06:15:19 PM
good to see an honest opinion from someone who hasnt been brainwashed by one make of detector or the other. very helpfull to someone who cant choose like myself lol  ;)


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: magpie on September 02, 2010, 05:51:27 PM
Hi to all,
I have read all of the posts relating to this topic & would like to take this oppotunity to put the cat among the pigeons.   
But the detector that comes through as the one to have that out does them all is the Nexus SE. This machine once mastered is a true winner, And having previously owned & used some of the top of the range modles including DFX, XP'S & MINELABS. Yet none of the mentioned have managed to equal or have come close to the incredible depth,sens & tone ID that the Nexus SE has continually pushed out for the last 4yrs.
You can even check-out the Nexus website www.nexusdetectors.com (http://www.nexusdetectors.com)
Thank all
magpie   


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: PHIL YNYSBOETH on September 03, 2010, 06:56:46 AM
Good Post Magpie !

Its not always how much you pay for a Detector.it must suit your style of Detecting.
Theres an old saying amongst Detectorists.
Beware of the one Detector man
I know a Guy on this Forum who,s had his Fisher 10 plus years and has no problem finding the goodies hes even had a few exhibitions at a local Museum, and has got a couple hoard,s under his belt.

Its all about enjoying and using your chosen Detector no matter how much it cost.
When i started detecting I used to do very well with my £99 Garret Treasure ace basically coz i was out 12 hours a day detecting  lol





Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: outlaw on September 03, 2010, 07:02:10 AM


I've extensively used the Deus on the beach (wet sand) and it works fine. Had loads of rings and coins.

However, the Minelab is king, probably the best being the Sovereign.

I've used the Sovereign (had two over the years) and it just loves wet black sand.....and goes deep!


Later this year they are bringing out a coil mod which will enable you to hunt totally under water (with the Deus control box in a waterproof I-pod bag and waterproof headphones)

I have the waterproof bag and headphones (about £6 total off E bay) and await the coil mod. Now there's something the Sovereign can't do!

Why not get a water proof bag for sov elite, buy a 2nd hand one to experiment on £2-300  ???


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Chef Geoff on September 03, 2010, 07:20:24 AM
Well the Sov can do that and to greater depths (water) than the Deus..............................It's called the Excalibur. lol


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: PHIL YNYSBOETH on September 03, 2010, 07:47:08 AM
There,s lots of Detectors on the market with impressive depths.
My EXP was no deeper than my Advantage Pro and without all the Adjustments there was less variables to get wrong.
And i found the Pro more enjoyable to use, i only sold it coz everyone in the club had Explorers and i didn't want to feel left out lol.
Dont listen to the propaganda and get the detector that suits your style of Detecting.


 


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: nfl on September 03, 2010, 03:52:12 PM
couldent agree more phil, i am getting new tecter at end of year and thought about a Deus  or e trac and have decided on a new etrac with a sef coil,im used to minelabs and the find rate has been good so i will stick with what i know,many company hype up there products and the real tests are your own detecting in your own fields ,many of us use a machine what we are comftable  with and i think thats all that counts,,,ive heard e trac are rubbish on roman sites but i use a se now and it seems to have no prob on roman sites,,,,,,,stick to what you know unless you  like a learning curve and a gamble  ;D ;D ;D     


Title: Re:Nexus SE v's them all
Post by: magpie on September 09, 2010, 09:53:02 PM
Hi All,
This will probably put the cat among the pigeons. I have been detacting for about 5yrs now & have tried all of the top machines & the only 1 that l have found to do do what it says on the box is the nexus se. This machine is truely in a class of it's own,  The sens & depth has on numerous occaisions out done every machine that has been mentioned to date. So for proof l'll ask you to visit the nexus website which is www.nexusdetecting.com (http://www.nexusdetecting.com)
Thanks for your time
magpie


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: DEUSBLOKE on January 08, 2011, 12:41:59 AM
Ive had the benefit of using a sovereign elite for a long time and also my e-trac for almost 2 years and now i also own the latest Deus with the longer lasting lythium polymer batteries in.My e-trac is a cracking machine but i have to say it as it is ok ....my finds rate on non-ferrous finds have gone up by 30% since using the Deus.Its very fast and for the size of the coil its more than deep enough and now the new coil is out tests have shown the depth of the Deus to be 1-2 inch or more deeper.Now i know people will say ahh yes but ive got a larger coil on my e-trac but how much does your machine now weigh ?.The other thing is yes its great having multiple frequency but the minelab coil only uses one at a time and not all at once and we already know which ones are best for different items in this country and the Deus has them pre-set.Finally on the subject of coil battery life the current life expectancy is 3-4 years and even then it will still perform at 80% of what it did when brand new.Also bear in mind that the e-trac battery also being rechargable only generates 1.2v per cell so a brand new e-trac is only performing at 80% from new.You may ask ok so how much does the new Deus coil battery cost ? the answer is around £30 fitted with a 2 weeks max turnaround and that for a battery lasting that long aint bad.HOWEVER i still like my e-trac and it still has its place but i have to be honest the Deus is the better one for me....deeper with new coil,lighter than anything out there,faster than anything out there,more portable than anything out there and its actually above most other machines on iron rejection and doesnt null out like minelabs when going over bad targets with a good one next to it.Worth every penny but technology has moved on now !!.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on January 08, 2011, 05:03:33 AM


You don't have to persuade me as I'm already a convert!

The new coil  (13" x 11") is £349 which is a lot cheaper than most were expecting.

If depth is your thing I'm positive even the Nexus (as mentioned in this thread) or Explorer/ET range
will be left gasping for breath!

The only thing that should or may put people off is the price. It's like anything in life, you get what
you pay for.  8)


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: DEUSBLOKE on January 08, 2011, 02:14:10 PM


You don't have to persuade me as I'm already a convert!

The new coil  (13" x 11") is £349 which is a lot cheaper than most were expecting.

If depth is your thing I'm positive even the Nexus (as mentioned in this thread) or Explorer/ET range
will be left gasping for breath!

The only thing that should or may put people off is the price. It's like anything in life, you get what
you pay for.  8)


Hi mate !! i reckon now with the new coil it will be an awesome package and will certainly always hold good value should one ever deicide to sell which in my case is very unlikely.Its interesting that despite all the hype the minelabs get with all the advertising etc that even though the Deus has been out over a year now its seconhand value hasnt really dipped under a grand so its more than holding its own i reckon.Imagine if one used good duracells in the lab ever weekend for 3 years how much it would cost ! it actually works out round about £750.Ill stick with what i have i reckon because it will be 3-4 years before i have to spend £30 on her !!


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on January 08, 2011, 05:38:23 PM
The only people who knock the Deus are the ones that haven't used it. You can now pick one up for £1250
(new via Treasure land on E Bay) which is what a new E T was about a year ago before the price crashed.

I've heard so many say "it's expensive" but don't seem to click that it's what the E T cost. Sometimes I
believe people just want something to knock it. A large SEF can be £150 to £225?. The larger Deus
coil at £349 (delivered) is different in that you are buying a 'second' detector as the Lithium Polymer batteries, wireless transmisson and processor are built into the coil. All that's needed is a second stem and you with the
original cordless backphones or control unit a second person can use it whilst another can continue with
the original coil.

Monsterlab users seem to think that they've got it sewn up as their machine uses multiple frequencies
but this, strictly speaking, isn't true! It uses the best frequency for the ground conditions.........not
necessarily the best frequency for what you are hunting for!

Add this to the Deus wharp speed recovery it has from one target to another and I'm surprised that even
more Deus's aren't seen at clubs and rallies. People can be slow to change, but with a part exchange
and interest free, it's within grasp of most people in employment.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Chef Geoff on January 08, 2011, 05:54:47 PM
I'm looking forward to getting the feedback on the new coil and if the hype is anything to go by then it will definitely be a must have machine, I just hope that they (Regton) begin to give the option of the larger coil as a standard package rather than a second coil, which will save some people some money.
Deusbloke don't get confused by voltage as this is regulated big time in the circuitry of the Etrac so there is no difference between 1.5 and 1.2 volts in use. Also the fbs and bbs systems do as you say only emit one frequency but measure the signal decay of not only the sent frequency but of a multitude of it's harmonics thus multi frequency.
As for the price well I would say "RIDICULOUS" not only the Deus but the Etrac, Explorer and the Vision. Minelab started it by pushing the Etrac through the £1000 barrier and the other producers realised that we are stupid enough to pay it and so who can blame them for chancing their arm.

I think that XP are on to a winner regarding the weight, Minelab could and should of done it years ago. The wireless aspect I still find slightly gimmicky and unnecessary but I think this is going to happen more because VLF technology has gone as far as it's going to go, and the makers are going to need to drip feed us (as minelab have done for years) so that we continue to buy the newest model.

I don't have an issue with the weight of the Explorers purely because I'm used to it, so until I win the lottery I'll be staying with them. and even then I think I would use both as they are different animals and each has it's uses.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: saxonman on January 08, 2011, 06:09:24 PM
 I can see me and Bob detecting in our ninetys while minelab owners with there over stretched arms(like apes)will be wareing  plaster on there fingers and arms.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on January 08, 2011, 06:11:57 PM

Good post there Geoff.

XP have no plans whatsoever to sell the Deus with a choice of coils. It will always be sold with the 9" coil and if you want the larger one it will be an additional £349 delivered.

Personally I would think the 9" coil handy for ploughed, parks, stubble, and severe iron infested areas, etc., so
if depth floats your boat you will have to fork out the additional spondulicks.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on January 08, 2011, 06:16:42 PM
I can see me and Bob detecting in our ninetys while minelab owners with there over stretched arms(like apes)will be wareing  plaster on there fingers and arms.

I can only speak for myself. I no longer get tennis elbow or a 'locked' arm after a detecting session.

Gwilym, I wouldn't got upsetting or abusing Monsterlab users as their muscles are awesome and they would turn green,
burst their shirt buttons and have you!    ;D


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: DEUSBLOKE on January 08, 2011, 06:47:10 PM
I'm looking forward to getting the feedback on the new coil and if the hype is anything to go by then it will definitely be a must have machine, I just hope that they (Regton) begin to give the option of the larger coil as a standard package rather than a second coil, which will save some people some money.
Deusbloke don't get confused by voltage as this is regulated big time in the circuitry of the Etrac so there is no difference between 1.5 and 1.2 volts in use. Also the fbs and bbs systems do as you say only emit one frequency but measure the signal decay of not only the sent frequency but of a multitude of it's harmonics thus multi frequency.
As for the price well I would say "RIDICULOUS" not only the Deus but the Etrac, Explorer and the Vision. Minelab started it by pushing the Etrac through the £1000 barrier and the other producers realised that we are stupid enough to pay it and so who can blame them for chancing their arm.

I think that XP are on to a winner regarding the weight, Minelab could and should of done it years ago. The wireless aspect I still find slightly gimmicky and unnecessary but I think this is going to happen more because VLF technology has gone as far as it's going to go, and the makers are going to need to drip feed us (as minelab have done for years) so that we continue to buy the newest model.

I don't have an issue with the weight of the Explorers purely because I'm used to it, so until I win the lottery I'll be staying with them. and even then I think I would use both as they are different animals and each has it's uses.



This link kinda explains the thing with rechargeables and the voltage expected to be seen by the etrac and now we know this we can look at the rechargeable pack itself which as you can see is not the 12v the machine expects to see !!.Dont get me wrong here i have an etrac and its a great machine but there are alternatives and the one i chose is actually better for myself !!.

http://www.mlotv.com/view/209/mlotv-classroom-rechargeable-batteries/ (http://www.mlotv.com/view/209/mlotv-classroom-rechargeable-batteries/)


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on January 08, 2011, 07:01:49 PM


Basically, The E T will work fine with recahrgeables except that the battery indicator on the machine will or may not accurately report the true state of the battery as it is expecting 12v from the 'alkaline' battery holder.

In other words, carry a spare rechargeable battery pack if using rechargeables in the alkaline pack.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: DEUSBLOKE on January 08, 2011, 07:09:33 PM


Basically, The E T will work fine with recahrgeables except that the battery indicator on the machine will or may not accurately report the true state of the battery as it is expecting 12v from the 'alkaline' battery holder.

In other words, carry a spare rechargeable battery pack if using rechargeables in the alkaline pack.

Good job the battery life is 12 to 15 hours on my coil then when its charged and its handy the Deus comes with an in field charger that runs off one battery and charges the coil or any other items in the time it takes to make a cup of tea and gives another 3-4 hours use if needed !! :-)

This is another benefit to also having the second larger coil with you because theres another 15 hours use on that too !!! how flippin handy is that mate !!


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on January 08, 2011, 07:20:57 PM
Non Deus users seem to think the batteries are a weak point but having used them I think it's the
easiest powered system of any detector. There's no batteries to fiddle with by taking out or putting into
pods...............and charging in the 'field' from one AA battery (if needed) is a brilliant idea!

With the Lithium polymer batteries they can be charged at any time as they have no memory effect. The
life capacity is only effected by the amount you charge in one period. Eg If you discharge a battery by
20% and then charge up, doing this 5 times, is counted only as one full charge!

Bearing in mind the batteries can be FULLY charged a couple of thousand times before capacity drops from
when new to about 80%, it can be seen that the batteries will last quite a while. Indeed, even when the
coil battery is practically discharged when being used, it does not affect the detecting ability of the
machine which is not the case with MOST detectors!



Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: DEUSBLOKE on January 08, 2011, 07:49:13 PM
And couple this with the fact it takes a maximum of two hours to charge the coil,backphones and console from flat to full is just great !! waiting all day to charge batteries or 16 hours sucks !!.When ive been out with my Deus for approx 6 hours it only takes 20 mins when i get back home to recharge to max again.BRILLIANT MACHINE !!!! .Also being able to fit a full detector plus equipment and a 73cm draper spade into a regular size kit bag is very very handy !!!


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Chef Geoff on January 08, 2011, 08:07:45 PM
OK guys enough of the justification from paranoia, as far as I can remember no one has knocked the Deus on DW. And remember it's still £1300 in the middle of a recession.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: tyna on January 08, 2011, 08:55:43 PM
Very tempted by the Deus (weight and software update capability especially)  but heard a rumour today that they're no good on wet sand.  Don't do extreme beach detecting but need a stable machine that doesn't give off too many false signals (if any) when I do have the urge to search the low water line.  Also the backphones apparently leave a lot to be desired I'm told as they don't cut out unwanted noise - I don't want to have to strain my ears to pick out signals on a windy day.  There again - headphone leads get on my one remaining nerve  :-\


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on January 08, 2011, 09:17:48 PM


The Deus is very good on wet sand and has a program for that purpose. I have used it extensively on the wet sand.

Personally I love the backphones but I know some don't.

But don't buy one as it's £1300 and we're in the middle of a recession !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :o  ;)  ;D


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: tyna on January 08, 2011, 09:40:13 PM
"It's always darkest before it turns absolutely pitch black"
Thanks for the info Bob - know anyone who may be in the market for an e-trac?


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: DEUSBLOKE on January 09, 2011, 12:10:08 AM
Very tempted by the Deus (weight and software update capability especially)  but heard a rumour today that they're no good on wet sand.  Don't do extreme beach detecting but need a stable machine that doesn't give off too many false signals (if any) when I do have the urge to search the low water line.  Also the backphones apparently leave a lot to be desired I'm told as they don't cut out unwanted noise - I don't want to have to strain my ears to pick out signals on a windy day.  There again - headphone leads get on my one remaining nerve  :-\

Its not 100% on the beach but its not far off,the best machine i have for the beach is actually the sov elite but most of my detecting is inland anyway.I know of uite a few that use their Deus on the beach and havent had any issues with it but on the beach it wont beat an etrac on depth but it will on speed and shortly the Deus will also be able to be used underwater too.As for the backphones i find them pretty good but xp also have a new set of headphones that are larger coming out in a more traditional style.I havent found mine to false hardly at all but confess ive dug up 3 large bits of iron but then i have with my etrac too.Trust me xp are going to run with this one all i can say is go try one and see if you can borrow one for a day you wont want to hand it back.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: DEUSBLOKE on January 09, 2011, 12:13:51 AM
May be worth noting that if the backphones are an issue to you there is actually a headphone socket on the Deus so you dont have to use wireless !!! how flexible can you get...minelab shouldve done it ages ago i mean whites have done it with the V3I which ive also had and thats actually not a bad machine and i loved the headphones on that.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on January 09, 2011, 09:34:39 AM

I also had the Whites V3, and was going to keep it as a back-up, but after using the Deus I just didn't want to go back to using it so sold it.

Looks like we took a similar course before ending up where we are now........ 8)



Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on January 09, 2011, 09:39:26 AM
"It's always darkest before it turns absolutely pitch black"
Thanks for the info Bob - know anyone who may be in the market for an e-trac?

Either put it on Flea Bay or in part exchange with Regton, which will bring down the monthly interest free
payments.

The price of the E T has crashed somewhat in the past 6 months because of the popularity of a certain
machine AND in anticipation of new Monsterlab machine coming out?


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Pipster on January 09, 2011, 10:19:56 AM
At the end of the day it comes down to personal choice, If you have an E-trac I would not be thinking of changing to a Deus for a while Stick with it and lean it,
When I first had mine it was a case of OMG what have I done  :o !!!!!!! ( Would not want to be without it now  ;) )
The Deus is a lot lighter than the E-trac thats why a lot of senior detecorist like them, You can swing them all day with no bad back  ;D
Still confused  ??? use your eyes  ;) on the next rally you go on have a look around see how many E-trac users there are and how many Deus users this should tell you something  :)
If you still think the Deus is the way forward I would try to sell the E-trac private as  part-exchange wont bring you as much money.
New Minelab coming out don't think so !!!!!!!
Phil  


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Chef Geoff on January 09, 2011, 10:24:17 AM
I think there will be a lot of disappointed people around if and when Minelab bring out a replacement for the Etrac. Love them or hate them most people would have to agree that when BBS was launched back in 1991 it was head and shoulders above any of the competition, they then reasserted this design advantage with the Explorer XS in 1999 (FBS is only an extended version of BBS. Since then they have added tweaks that have made the Explorers more user friendly.
One area that they have strangely never tackled has been the weight/balance, as this has been an issue on the explorers since day one. The cynical side of me thinks that the reason for this has been either due too arrogance "you want it then this is how it comes" or a weird way of justifying the high price tag (remember that until the White's V3 the next machine in price was nearly £400 cheaper), If you put the Explorer next to any of it's near rivals and asked "Joe Public" to choose the machine that cost £1000, most would choose the Explorer.

I think the next Minelab if staying with VLF is going to be a mix of Etrac, Deus and V3 and any advancements are going to been seen in the coil (again). If you think that the machines from 20-30 years ago all came with a 8" standard coil and the depth increase since then has been in a great part due to standard coils now being 10-11".
XP with Deus have shown the importance/advantage of a faster processors to aid recovery (Minelab will never reach that speed due to the way they use multi frequency) and also (the down side) that you can charge more for apparently less. So the good news for users is that he Deus will wake other manufacturers up to the fact that there is a new serious contender in the neighbourhood and it will make them dust off their design boards and give us some radical new machines.
The future should be to say the least interesting.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Pipster on January 09, 2011, 10:48:16 AM
Well said that man  ;)


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: DEUSBLOKE on January 09, 2011, 11:42:11 AM
Hey dont get me wrong the etrac is great and i still have mine and ive been an avid minelab bloke for years but i do feel this Deus is something very different.Ive found a lot of good things with the etrac but in real terms i dont really find it any deeper than the Deus in fact in areas with iron and other junk the Deus goes deeper because it can easily get between it all because of its speed.Now theyve brought out the new coil its added a few more inch to it searching depth without losing the tiny targets.Des Dunne has himself stated minelab do not intend to upgrade or replace the etrac because they dont feel they need to.Thats quite an arrogant attitude really seeing as the etrac was chucked into a shell that was used years ago ie the explorer "s" which i also had and was used on all models afterwards.If minelab went down the road of xp with a lighter machine and upgraded the technology and made it faster they would do better.There is always going to be resistance to new detectors that come along especially if they are expensive but with the Deus people are getting something very different for the money,its not like any other detector it is in my opinion 5 years ahead of the competition.When i only had my etrac i honestly believed it to be the best machine in the world and at rallies i had a big grin on my face and thought "move out for the pros let me have it ! nothing would sway my mind about it.Id read all the articles on the Deus and thought YEAH RIGHT ! but then chatted to guys that actually used them and guys who stock and sell them.After this i was lucky enough to borrow one for a day and took it out with my etrac not expecting anything but an overhyped machine...I WAS WRONG !! the Deus actually does work and does what it states.I wont sell either of the machines but the etrac is now my backup machine.It really comes down to personal preference theres lots of good machines out there but my main machine has to be the Deus now so all i can say is try one and get to know one for a day if poss !!


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on January 09, 2011, 12:24:41 PM
Some very good posts and food for thought.

With Pipster saying:

"on the next rally you go on have a look around see how many E-trac users there are and how many Deus users this should tell you something"

I would reply:

So many Explorers and E T have been sold over the years that they obviously outnumber any other make, probably by 10:1.   This doesn't really tell you anything. The Deus has only been out just about 11 months so it's a relatively new machine and obviously there aren't that many out per club and they will be in the minority at rallies.

There is always a reluctance to change  anything in life. It's human nature to stick with what you know, so it's going to take some time for the Deus to bite into the market that Monsterlab have dominated.

The Deus was six years in design and creation and was continually improved before it came to the market as technology moved on. And then it was tested for over a year and again improved upon.

Indeed, after nearly a year on the market an update is due out (free) to give it further class leading benefits such as non motion discrimination detecting and a soil/iron mineralisation meter.

I can't say Monsterlab have really updated things since the original Explorer. Just minor tweaks in the same old shell.

I'm waiting with interest to see if Monsterlab bring anything radically different to market.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: saxonman on January 09, 2011, 12:37:50 PM
Fully agree with you all boys.Went to a WW Wanderers Rally last week ,and could see the ratio of Deus users has vastly increased to what it was before xmas.It was peole with 4 by 4 ...citreon c1..oh and smart cars.(that was for Bob)..who were useing them the most. ;D ;D ;D.It was lucky you would see a couple  at rallys six months ago,one in six seemed to be useing them.Must have gone mad for xmas for them.Still love my T2 though,found loads up the wenalt with it the other day. ;).


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: saxonman on January 09, 2011, 12:51:39 PM
Dont no were you got that from TYNA,found the Deus fab on the beach.Bob ,a certain monster lab user might come with us monday if he can shake off his gremlins.(chasing staters).


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on January 09, 2011, 04:44:46 PM


Okay. He said you're buying............so I'm coming!  ;D


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: handyman [Alan} on January 09, 2011, 05:25:00 PM
typical tory -- always wants something for nothing!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

cheers



Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on January 09, 2011, 05:57:11 PM
typical tory -- always wants something for nothing!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

cheers




It's on Saxonman's expenses this time...........


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: JBM on January 09, 2011, 10:36:28 PM
We have 45 active club members and now have 14% Deus users.

The  new larger coil is of  course a bit heavier than the 9" but its no problem, if it is then you can use the armband.

Certainly the extra ground coverage is an advantage and any depth incease is a bonus so its swings and roundabouts with balance and weight.

Its nothing like trying to swing the heavy Explorer and e-trac detectors, I used mine for 5+ hours today with a 10 minute break at lunchtime and thats not bad for a guy in his 77th year so most of you guys will have no trouble with one. ;)Jerry.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on January 10, 2011, 10:38:51 AM


Hi Jerry

I didn't know you were a member on here too!

You are my inspiration and I just hope I'm still digging holes in my 77th year.........and that I
won't be in one before then !  ;D

In fairness, there's hardly any Deus bashing on here..........they're very open minded. I think
it realised the Deus's supreme lightness is what they'd like in their particular machine.



Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: tyna on January 10, 2011, 02:42:26 PM
57th year would be welcome !
not convinced though.....  :-X


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: DEUSBLOKE on January 16, 2011, 07:56:01 PM
The Deus in my opinion is a good investment for the future !
1.VERY LIGHT AND COMPACT
2.VERY FAST
3.SOFTWARE UPDATES
4.NO WIRE TO WORRY ABOUT
5.BATTERY LIFE IS EXCELLENT
6.PERFORMS GREAT
7.DIFFERENT FREQUENCIES
8.ABILITY TO OPERATE VIA HEADPHONES ALONE

http://xpdeusowners.yuku.com/ (http://xpdeusowners.yuku.com/)


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Tafflaff (Rob) on January 16, 2011, 08:34:00 PM
The Deus in my opinion is a good investment for the future !
1.VERY LIGHT AND COMPACT
2.VERY FAST
3.SOFTWARE UPDATES
4.NO WIRE TO WORRY ABOUT
5.BATTERY LIFE IS EXCELLENT
6.PERFORMS GREAT
7.DIFFERENT FREQUENCIES
8.ABILITY TO OPERATE VIA HEADPHONES ALONE

[url]http://xpdeusowners.yuku.com/[/url] ([url]http://xpdeusowners.yuku.com/[/url])


Until the next clever 'must have' machine comes out , then you realise you actually invested in the Sinclair C5.  ;)


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: DEUSBLOKE on January 16, 2011, 09:04:24 PM
I wonder if the same now applies to the e-trac because theyve already started cutting back on advertising it and they are now pushing the GPX 5000 in the front pages of the mags now and the explorer.When they bring out another e-trac type thing will the current one be considered a sinclair c5 i wonder ???.My second machine i might add is an e-trac and it is a good machine as is the Deus.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on January 16, 2011, 09:06:28 PM
The Sinclair C5's are worth more now than they cost to buy new!

 There's nothing wrong in updating. Otherwise we'd all be waiting for the valves to warm up on our
 black & white tv sets!

 There's always going to be a manufacturer that leads from the front and others follow. An example
 is the Dyson and it's bagless, washable filters, cyclone tecnnology. All the other makes now have
 their 'versions'.  The Dyson was expensive when it hit the market, and still is, but it remains the best
 .........and people continue to buy and pay a premium  for this reason.

 Don't knock people for wanting the latest technology.............otherwise we'd all still be living in caves!


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on January 16, 2011, 09:35:08 PM
Then what I say is go detecting with a bloody Dyson, But please stop banging on about the bloody Deus 
at the end of the day it all boils down to personal choice
Why do you find it necessary to keep slagging off the ( Monsterlab moonlab ect ect ect)  keep your narrow minded opinions to yourselves


I haven't mentioned any other machine in my last post  ???

Never even mentioned the Deus !!!

Had a bad day have we?  ;D


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Tafflaff (Rob) on January 16, 2011, 09:37:53 PM
Quote
The Sinclair C5's are worth more now than they cost to buy new!

 There's nothing wrong in updating. Otherwise we'd all be waiting for the valves to warm up on our
 black & white tv sets!

 There's always going to be a manufacturer that leads from the front and others follow. An example
 is the Dyson and it's bagless, washable filters, cyclone tecnnology. All the other makes now have
 their 'versions'.  The Dyson was expensive when it hit the market, and still is, but it remains the best
 .........and people continue to buy and pay a premium  for this reason.

 Don't knock people for wanting the latest technology.............otherwise we'd all still be living in caves!


Nope not knocking people who keep up to date at all, when I changed machines I went straight for an etrac as I believed it to be the best minelab out at that time. What I am saying is that no machine - at least no machine out at present is future proof.  What seems like the ultimate  machine out today is swiftly replaced by machines who's technology the manufacturers already but choose not to use.

To claim a machine on the market is future proof is in my opinion is a misplaced faith in manufacturers, as we all know something better will be out next year.


Quote
I wonder if the same now applies to the e-trac because theyve already started cutting back on advertising it and they are now pushing the GPX 5000 in the front pages of the mags now and the explorer.When they bring out another e-trac type thing will the current one be considered a sinclair c5 i wonder .My second machine i might add is an e-trac and it is a good machine as is the Deus.

 Is the Etrac going the same way ?  Too right it is, you've only got to look at MLO's video of the GPX  at the Corfe Castle rally to see they're pushing the GPX as the ultimate minelab.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on January 16, 2011, 09:43:21 PM


I ain't saying anything as Pipster might bite my ankles.............  :'(


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on January 16, 2011, 09:54:54 PM
No I wont I.m just so ****** off with all the Deus E-trac shite

Well we all know the ET is the best there is..............


Your life is back on track now. Anything else I can help with  ???


What was that about the GPX4800 & GPX5000 ?   ;D  (Only joking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP (THE ONE AND ONLY)
Post by: DEUSBLOKE on January 16, 2011, 10:59:01 PM
Well i reckon a machine is only as good as its user !!!! Theres a lot of top machines out there and each has its good and bad points and ive had and used just about all the top machines fortunately because i ran a business buying and selling them.Heres my own personal preference list.

1.DE-US
2.sovereign elite  (this is prob the deepest seeking machine ive used but heavy really)
3.e-trac
4.explorer xs
5 spectra v3i
6.omega 8000
7.fisher f4 (underated crackin machine)
8.mxt pro
9.garrett gti 2500 (weight lets this one down)
10.dfx
          Just my own preferences on the grounds i tend to use and ive detected just over 30 years.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on January 17, 2011, 12:23:05 PM
.............I was looking for a smilie hiding under a chair but we're a bit limited on this site!
 
Pipster will be after you.............

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRBbCXEnfkiyc7qrw0KYkROCAywm_MzGrFPPJYGf1m0eVk1VjRd)


You made me smile anyway!


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: saxonman on January 17, 2011, 04:19:57 PM
Hi Pipster,
It would be interesting to no how old you are.I  would give a young man Four years detecting before he starts to have a pyscal problems with his Hands ,,,Arms.... Back ..etc.thats If you are useing  heavy machine like a Minelab etc.If you are  tall and strong a bit longer.
Your machine is one of the best on the market.I myself used to own an SE and found it a great machine,but oh what a let down over the weight of it.After three hours use my arms were droping off.
Be all and end all of the matter is if the Minelab was the same weight as the Deus i would get one.
The Deus is a  fabulas light machine,and Minelab would be foolish not to go down the same line.
Couple of my mates use Minelabs xs,they are having arm and back pains already.
Attended a large Rally a few weeks ago,was so suprised to see the amount of Deus out there.They are definatly on the increase..
Hi Rob,
Suprised you did not go for the Deus with problems you have had with your back,perhaps this might be a good idear in the future .Or was it they were not out at the time.(thinking of your back buddy).


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Tafflaff (Rob) on January 17, 2011, 04:34:32 PM
Hi Gwil , No you could not get one for love nor money at the time i was buying the Etrac. To be honest though I'm so heavy handed with machines I'd be worried the Deus would fall apart in my hands.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: saxonman on January 17, 2011, 04:45:13 PM
Thats what i thought  Rob,but with this new coil coming out would be on the par as yours.Anyway a little further down the road might be an option for you.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Pipster on January 17, 2011, 06:04:07 PM
Hi Gwil, I'm  51 and 5'10" tall ..and almost the same wide  ;D I am not for one minute saying minelab is any better or any worse than the Deus ..... its horses for courses they are totally differrent machines, and one day I may be lucky enough to own both  ;)


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: saxonman on January 17, 2011, 07:09:28 PM
I think the E Trac is far better on the beach at the moment,but with this new coil coming out could very well compete with it.I have said all along the weight has been my problem.By the sound of it like me you have a weight problem to ;D ;D ;D.Dont let Bob wind us up,I am going to dig a big hole for him next week  and lets hope he falls in.If i was to put Pork Pies around the hole that sould attract him.who knows what might  happen then ::)  :o.Your hands sould be ok at the moment,but another two years i would start to look for something lighter(Deus.or .a new lighter Minelab)If  they wake up in time.!!!! ??? 


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on January 17, 2011, 07:22:06 PM
Gwilym

And you go on about me!

Yesterday you stuffed a whole chicken, in two goes, into your mouth at 9.20am, before
setting off detecting. It was like watching Neandethal man in real life. However, I know you're not
from the stone age as you use a futuristic Deus!

I'm not fussed on pork pies. A bag of chips might do it though!  ;D


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Little Kitty Curling Tongs
Post by: Roman (Ray) on January 18, 2011, 12:02:06 PM
BUMP..LOL.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: saxonman on January 18, 2011, 04:56:30 PM
And what a big bag of chips it is Bob ;D ;D


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on January 18, 2011, 05:41:49 PM
And what a big bag of chips it is Bob ;D ;D


The best chips are thick cut, fried in beef dripping until brown, with rock salt and distilled vinegar.  ;D

The worst chips are McDonalds type.  :'(

Next time we go,  we're definitely getting a bag to eat on the way home !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :P


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: saxonman on January 18, 2011, 05:58:29 PM
DEF....YOUR FLASH.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Chef Geoff on January 18, 2011, 05:59:52 PM
So what's happening with this big Deus coil, that's 2 I've now seen for sale and they've only been out a month???


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: saxonman on January 18, 2011, 06:05:45 PM
On you Bob.(chefs coment.).


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on January 18, 2011, 06:08:21 PM
So what's happening with this big Deus coil, that's 2 I've now seen for sale and they've only been out a month???

I only know of one but I'll look out for the second!

I'm still waiting for mine.

Personally, I think they have sold too quick. The Deus is due for a software update (free) at the end of
the month and I believe part of this update is for the larger coil.

The update is for non motion detecting and also a constant soil mineralisation display amongst things.

The one person who sold his coil said it was deeper but that he could not distinguish iron as easy as he
could with the standard coil, and in his opinion it wasn't worth the extra money.

I may feel the same. But until I've given it a try and done some testing with it, I can't really comment.

It should offer something different as otherwise it isn't worth the money. Maybe it was so different to the
stock coil that they didn't like it. I don't know.



Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Chef Geoff on January 18, 2011, 06:17:57 PM
Jmhammered has one for sale on here.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Chef Geoff on January 18, 2011, 06:24:43 PM
Adam & Lisa seem to have done OK with theirs, but I think you could give them a hazel twig and a bent coat hanger and they'd still come home with the goodies.
At least it's finding small silver OK, it's probably the same as the SEF on the Minelab. People bang on about using the 12x15 and how it will still find the small silver but over the course of a year I wonder how much more you are finding than you would with the Pro or a 10x12.


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on January 18, 2011, 06:32:03 PM

The standard coil on the Deus is excellent. Usually the much larger coils aren't as sensitive to hammereds

but I'll be happy to get another couple of inches on pasture.

There's nothing like an old fool with money...........so I'll try for myself.  ;)



Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Chef Geoff on January 18, 2011, 06:35:44 PM
Yes Bob I have to join you there "a fool and his money" over the years, so pass me the hat with bells on and the pigs bladder. ;D


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on January 18, 2011, 06:46:37 PM
Yes Bob I have to join you there "a fool and his money" over the years, so pass me the hat with bells on and the pigs bladder. ;D

It all started about 8 years ago when I sold my XLT which I'd had 7 years.

I've got a machine I'm happy with now so I won't be changing for some time.......... ::)

If you want to set up an old fools club and want members, let me know! I'll be a committee member.  ;D


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: tyna on January 20, 2011, 05:50:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r0ByOBcfZw&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r0ByOBcfZw&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
 :o


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on January 20, 2011, 06:00:54 PM

That's not the detector for me.............I got a female that nags at home without taking one out 
when I go detecting.  :'(

Thanks, but I'll stick with my Deus......I just get a lovely sound when HE's found something !  ;D


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: tyna on January 20, 2011, 06:12:43 PM
Chased up Nigel's yesterday - told they should be back in stock next week - started to panic as the only detector I have at the moment is pulse induction and the rally is drawing nearer so cutting it a bit fine :'(   A very kind friend immediately offered to lend me his spare Quattro so all's well again  8)


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Pipster on January 20, 2011, 06:25:41 PM
Hi Tyna,
I have a x-terra 705 you can have for the day if it helps  ;)
Phil


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on January 20, 2011, 06:27:30 PM
Chased up Nigel's yesterday - told they should be back in stock next week - started to panic as the only detector I have at the moment is pulse induction and the rally is drawing nearer so cutting it a bit fine :'(   A very kind friend immediately offered to lend me his spare Quattro so all's well again  8)


You didn't try Treasureland?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/XP-Deus-Wireless-Metal-detector-January-sale-/130471475689?pt=UK_Gadgets&hash=item1e60b4b9e9 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/XP-Deus-Wireless-Metal-detector-January-sale-/130471475689?pt=UK_Gadgets&hash=item1e60b4b9e9)

£1295

IHe had them in stock whne I told you a few days ago.............



Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: tyna on January 20, 2011, 06:33:04 PM
I got ripped off by Treasureland - wouldn't go near them again.  :'(  :'(  :'(

Pipster - thanks for the offer - very generous of you. The Quattro will be fine for the one outing  :D
Tyna


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on January 20, 2011, 06:35:53 PM
I got ripped off by Treasureland - wouldn't go near them again.  :'(  :'(  :'(

Pipster - thanks for the offer - very generous of you. The Quattro will be fine for the one outing  :D
Tyna

Well, the above link is another dealer. Will Regton match the price or do you want the never never?


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: DEUSBLOKE on January 23, 2011, 02:44:01 PM
Anybody else with any reports of how theyre doing with the new Deus coil and perhaps a comparison with the etrac (depth wise) ?







http://xpdeusowners.forumotion.co.uk/ (http://xpdeusowners.forumotion.co.uk/)


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Radnor Bandit (Ian) on March 11, 2011, 09:44:58 PM
After seeing the  upgraded 0.2 version advert in this months searcher .It looks like XP have conned a lot of Deus owners into becoming beta testers on the MK 1 
I will stick with the minelab
           ;D  ;D  ;D


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: rjm on March 12, 2011, 05:27:40 PM
After seeing the  upgraded 0.2 version advert in this months searcher .It looks like XP have conned a lot of Deus owners into becoming beta testers on the MK 1 
I will stick with the minelab
           ;D  ;D  ;D

I don't quite understand what you mean by conned. The update was free and included quite a few useful
additions.

None of us Deus users are complaining.

Good luck with your Monsterlab !  ;)


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: tyna on March 12, 2011, 08:21:43 PM
After seeing the  upgraded 0.2 version advert in this months searcher .It looks like XP have conned a lot of Deus owners into becoming beta testers on the MK 1 
I will stick with the minelab
           ;D  ;D  ;D

I don't quite understand what you mean by conned. The update was free and included quite a few useful
additions.

None of us Deus users are complaining.

 ;D ;D


Good luck with your Monsterlab !  ;)


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: Radnor Bandit (Ian) on March 14, 2011, 12:17:31 AM
[I don't quite understand what you mean by conned. The update was free and included quite a few useful
additions.

None of us Deus users are complaining.

Good luck with your Monsterlab !  ;)
[/quote]

If I had spend 1200 quid on a machine last year only to find out 6 months later . the grip had been redesigned ,extra functions added
i would think. Xp's  R&D departments  were making it up as they went along.
 :D :D :D


Title: Re: MineLab E-trac VS XP Deus
Post by: saxonman on March 14, 2011, 09:19:15 AM
your right monsterlab certainly made there new machine up by making the E TRAC which they made  a bit lighter.this to  compensate for the previous bus swingers.It took them 3 yrs to do that.  ;D ;D


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