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Peter can you give an I.D. on this lovely roman found by Bluebell on sunday.
also some idea as to age of the spear/arrow head found by phil.for the database

Hi Kev, sorry didn't get to say hello yesterday. The Roman is Constantine period, something like this:

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showrecords.php?product=23671&cat=50 (http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showrecords.php?product=23671&cat=50)

I've been looking for a match for Phil's pointy thing but not found it yet. I know waltonbasinman is on the case as well.

Hi Kev

Thanks for Posting.
Cheers Peter ,could you cast your knowledgeable eye on the Roman  i found Sunday

all the best
Phil

Found this one online, Phil:

(http://weebling.com/coin-pages/images/Constantine-follis.jpg)

'Follis' of Gallerius,  303-305 AD

Hi Leighton i was thinking on them lines

I was thinking Caesar Flavius Valerius Aurelius Constantinus Augustus Constantine the great
Im not an expert as you know but your pic is very similar

thanks Bud !

Well-spotted Leighton, you've got the right coin,but you've looked at the wrong caption on the page. It's Constantine, not Galerius. Here's another similar one:

http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/bigpic.cgi?img=coins/./ric/constantine/_london_RIC_VI_103.jpg&ruler=./ric/constantine/i.html (http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/bigpic.cgi?img=coins/./ric/constantine/_london_RIC_VI_103.jpg&ruler=./ric/constantine/i.html)

Still working on the arrow/projectile head. I think it's probably Roman, but still haven't found one the same. Most Roman (and medieval) arrowheads found in Britain are iron, so I believe it to be a pretty rare find if the ID is correct. One to show Mark I think!

The regular Roman army still used bronze arrowheads up until the 5thC but these were more of the tri-lobal type for armour piercing. The Auxiliary units used iron from an earlier date (probably cultural reasons), this one bears similarity to the "normal" iron arrowhead and I would hazard a guess that it was a civilian hunting tip.

I was wondering why it said Constantine on it.  ;D  ;D  ;D

Peter i've emailed the "pointy thing" to the secretary of the Bowmen of gower. years ago i used to know a chap that was very knowledgeable on the history of archery...dont know if he's still there but thought some one might be able to shed some light.....nothing to lose really.
will let you know if anything comes back

Her we are Phil. The second one down from the top. All the ones I have found are made of Iron so this being Bronze would appear to be rare. It is a arrowhead and the best looking one I have seen and It has been dated in other contexts to the 3rd and 4th century but is definitely Roman.

You did better than me Paul - all I could find are the following examples on posted on another Detecting site.

These are Roman bronze and a different design.

Great ID mate
Neil

Paul is it feasible that its a copy of a roman projectile  copied by a local Celtic Tribe, wasn't Bronze used by the Celtic tribes more than the Romans?

superb research there Paul.

i've been following this with interest and have learnt so much from chefs and your posts. thanks guys.

Very possible Rob and It may also be made locally with what ever metal was available. Looking at its condition what I would call  "like new"  I do wonder if it may have been part of a burial  to take to the next life as it were. Perhaps a retired bowman from the army who settled locally.

With the wonders of modern gizmos , heres a side by side comparison of the two

oops -- shouldn;t they be labelled the other way up?

but its clever work rob to put the 2 together.

thx

Just seeing if youre paying attention  ::)

 ;D  Thanks HM

Thanks Paul and everyone else

As a rule id spend weeks researching an item and then still get it completely wrong lol
Its great having such knowlagable people In-particular Paul (walton) do you the leg work and get in right every time 
Thanks Buddy ;0)

I am fascinated by Prehistoric flintwork and its development through to the Roman period where metal working seemed part of every day life. Totally useless with hammered coins I will leave that to the Doc.

youd like my Later Neolithic Bronze age flint Plano-convex knife  3.400-2,000bc
I,ll send you a pic with the Museum write up

all the best
phil

Pic as Promised

Well done on the ID Paul. I hope Mark Lodwick gets to see this item - I think he'll be thrilled by it.

Hi Peter

Our clubs got a FOTM on the 31st of this month
I,ll see Mark lodwick Then
I,ll keep everyone informed what the Museum has to say.

Thanks everyone  !

Very nice Phil. This is my favourite period in History and that is a little stunner of a find.

I had been given the address of a master arrowsmith to ask his opinion but it looks like problem solved. I will duely enter it in our database, under Roman 3rd-4th C Bronze arrow head

Thanks again everyone
Like Paul i have my own favourite period in History and mine is the Romans particularly the Roman occupation of Wales
Its nice to have another Piece to add to my growing  collecting

all the best
Phil

Here's reply from master arrowsmith Hector cole
"Hello Kevin,  This particular head is a bit before my time being in bronze.  It could be just in the early Roman period but it could equally be early bronze age as it is a tanged head not a socketed one.  I would put it in the early bronze age as it is simple to produce in a flat two part mould where the socketed head need a far more sophisticated moulding technique.  Hope this is of some help to you."
he certainly thinks its Roman or even earlier so theres plenty more hope for the site, age wise at least.
Well done phil !!

 

Great bit of research by "The Flashing Blade!"

Cracking result - I forgot to tell you all -the farmer at the Rally location  is mad as a hatter he shook my hand when we went there on the way back from Bristol Trip to sort out the parking for the rally and then fell about laughing!

"You haven't just had that hand up a cows arse. have you?" I said.

He said "Not just a cow, but I have also just delivered a lamb!" and carried on howling with laughter.

He was still laughing hysterically in my rear view mirror as I pulled away! Reminded me of "Mad Eric" from Blackadder first series I think!

I quickly rubbed my hands on Robs sweater - he didn't seem to mind! ;D

I think a revisit is definately in order at some point in light on this!

Great research mate and from an expert who would know as well. You can't get better service than that.


Cheers
A Clean Handed Neil

I have to agree with my mate phil. it's got to be the roman period for me. Strangely enough word has it that they still inhabit the more remote part's of aberdare!!! LOL ;D

Aberdare !!! i think you are confusing Romans with Neanderthals. ;D

I had a watch stolen when i was in Aberdare once  >:( >:( >:(  and I only suck my hand out to turn right  ;D ;D ;D

lol

and i'm not giving it back to you kev !..... ;D....byron

I knew you were quick Byron but i was doing 40MPH at the time !!

lol Neil
Robs got small kids hes used to being covered in allsorts lol
I dont think the Roman where rough enough to live in Aberdare or in the Cynon Valley for that matter lol

Kev thank you for all your hard work
I love everything Roman so you can imagine im over the moon with my find
My last Roman artefact was a copper alloy bracelet found at West Hanney Oxfordshire

all the very
best
Phil

pic

Phil nice find mate.any pics of that you want added (out of the bag) with any info post up and i'll add to database.
my last Roman artifact was an ear scoop, I.D'd by FLO at chievely.

Very nice ;0)
I take it a ear scoop was for the removal of ear wax ??
Have you been templed to bend it back into shape?
i wouldnt have been able to resist it  lol

Phil i thought about it but its made of bronze.....heat it, bend it, break it.
think i'd rather have a whole, bend artifact than an aritfact in several pieces.