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Have been looking at the price of new detectors recently as I was keen to purchase a E Trac. Having read reviews and fellow users comments on different machines have still to go 100% for the E Trac. What is off interest is the varying cost of what is basically the same machine. The Explorer SE Pro is available new for as little as £799.00 with the accessories included but is offered by the more well known establishments for £1200 - £1300. How does the system work, why such a big difference. Would be interested to hear from the more business astute amongst us as to how this works. The SE Pro is probably the way to go at £799.00 as the performance is as near to the E Trac you can get and at £500.00 cheaper surely this is a bargain.

paul try looking on ebayUSA compare cost plus shipping  (my wife was in retail what sells best costs less and you sell for more doulbling
your profit

You are right Gazza have just noticed I can get a new SE pro delivered to me from the states for under £700.00. Half the cost of buying from the UK. Spot on mate. Begs the question though why so expensive in the UK.

retailed import duty plus min 75% profit and vat ,we used to had min of 100% as orderd by in mother company

While they are cheaper, as USA retailers order direct from Minelab USA, British retailers have to order from Joan Allen who put their profit on first. Remember you will have to pay VAT and import tax if ordering from the States.
Also some of the retailers in the US can't export Minelab's as it breaks their agency agreements.

i've ask the spanish guy who's bought his from the USA and its still cheaper inclueding import taxses and vat

import duty doesnt cost much as i have just bought 2 new detectors supposedly deep seeking tectors from China, thought i would give alternative manufacturers a go. paid £45 duty on top of cost.

People shouldnt be affraid of looking overseas to purchase detectors.

Like most things here in uk we pay over the top prices  ;D

somebody told me that to buy the e-trac strait from the manufacture costs under £500, the rest is the dealers profit. proberbly worth haggling alot now you know how big the margins are.  ;)

Although there are similarities between the SE and ET they are two different machines.

My advice is to go for the E Trac but wait 6 weeks.

The XP Deus is out mid November and sales in the Minelab range (and ET in particular) will take a big knock. Joan Allen (The UK importer/supplier) will reduce their prices to compete.
In fact, if you ring Joan Allen and tell them you have £1K cash and want an E Trac, with no extras or machine to part ex, they should do the deal!

Remember the E T originallt sold for £999 in the Uk before JA put their prices up to £1235 supposedly because of the pound dropping against the dollar. The pound has now rallied against the dollar but JA still want the increased price.

If JA won't drop to £1K, just leave you name/address and tel number and tell them to give you a ring if they change their mind. The phone will ring !!!

Don't waste your money on an SE when you can get the ET for a bit more.

The ET is a superb machine but there is a long learning curve to get to grips. Also, it is heavy with no cordless headphones.

I have the feeling that later in 2010 Minelab will bring out a new ET which will address these problems. By that time the XP Deus will be the machine all serious detectorists will want.

May be best to sit on the fence for a while.

RJM  you,ve got me puzzled by your last post ??? ??? how can you state the etrac is better than the se when you don,nt own or use either  ??? ??? then you keep mentioning that the XP Deus is to be the beginning of the end for some of the old favourites looks and preformance don,nt always go hand in hand anyone would swear it,s a ferrari it could turn out to be a bloody T FORD ;D ;D I will stand on the sideline and let all those with plenty of cash waste their money and keep mine for the bargains their getting rid of  ;)better to wait 6 to 12 months and then see what results emerge ;) ;) ;D ;D

BUMP BUMP BUMP ;D ;D ;D

How do you know that I haven't owned, used or tried the SE or ET.

You condem me for presuming the XP Deus is going to be better than the ET. I did not !

I never mentioned that it was the beggining of the end for other machines. What I said was that there would be a rush for the XP Deus and that Minelab will want to compete, and to do so they will bring their prices down.

I also said that even now you can pick up a new ET for £1K, so it makes better sense to go for the ET if you can afford it.

I think you read too much into my post. I also said there was a learning curve with the ET as it is different to the SE.
If you don't believe me then ask Minelabs own expert, Dessie Dunne, who will confirm this.

I would also say that everyone is entitled to an opinion. I have heard users say they preferred their SE or Explorer 11.

I have used all the XP range and Minelabs. I have also had the XP Deus demonstrated to me.

I am very impressed with the Deus as I have been with their previous models. It offers two things that, at present the Minelabs do not offer: (Amongst other things)
a) Lightness
b) Cordless headphones

I hope this clarifies things. :)

Hello RJM :)  not a condemnation at all ;) more an observation on the subjectof the etrac and se  I may have erred on the wrong side of observation on your obvious enthusiasum for the Deus but not every so called advancement in detector technology is a step in the right direction  :( I,ve owned many detectors like yourself and we have obviously got differant ideas when it comes to machines having used and owned a few minelabs and xps amongst others I won,nt pay the extra for an etrac  the se is not far behind in preformance and as far asthe Deus is concerned it,s basically a goldmaxx /gmaxmaxx with a couple of extra frequencys thorown in for good measure at a lot lower cost you can combine the adx250 goldmaxxpower or adx200 goldmaxx mk1 and get a not too disimilar preformance and while on the subject of desse dunn I,ve be told by people in the know he does,nt know a lot about the explorers etc , in fact he uses the factory preset programmes mr Brunn and mr HERITAGE are the ones who know what their talking about ;) I was,nt having a DIG at you personally excuse the pun But I,m  getting a bit annoyed  at the manufactures taking advantage of gulliable people with all their lastest Bull- - - - CLAIMS ( BEWARE SAME PARCEL DIFFERANT WRAPPING)  ;)  good luck  :)

It's always good to be reminded that technology needs to take a quantum leap before a "new" detector hits the market. I think that may happen when the PI Nemesis hits the market (if it works) and then it may be worth investing , but as Mole says always wait until at least 12 months have passed by before taking a leap of faith.

I would wait because there will be a small price war and I've been told from two U.S. sources that Minelab will try a spoiler to prevent sales loss. This could be a revamped detector or just a price drop. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Rayditich is pushing the new XP on just about every forum here and abroad but its one I'm going to avoid until way after the dust is settled. I've had nothing but problems with lithium ion batteries from melting my laptop to failing within a year with my Pure Dab radio and a few months with my Sony E reader. The one item I had that uses these batteries is my Olympus camera and its the only one you can swap the battery out yourself. All the others are return to dealer to have a replacement fitted. If the system is now so good why doesn't the warranty of the item cover the battery. Best you get is twelve months.
Sony (for the e reader) have suggested I don't use the USB system but buy a mains charger and use that instead.

As for Mole's "Bull" comment. Could not agree more. I've been trying out another Whites DF as the first produced nothing like the depths suggested in the U.S. and the second works to the same depth as the first (elastic tape measures ?). The Fisher75/T2 LTD's are an improvement but a few inches, not more, so whether it would be worth the loss on a trade in against a new version is doubtful.

Re the Nemesis, yet again the finished machine failed to turn up which is a repeat of what happened last year when it was supposed to be finally finished and we were going to be trying it out on various sites in North Wales. I still have hopes but I'm not going to worry or wait on it anymore.

I'm not really knocking the Explorers or ET.  In my humble opinion the E Trac is a superb machine and as I've already stated on this forum a few times, VERY PROBABLY the best ALL ROUND machine currently on the market. BUT, it has two drawbacks which are the weight and no cordless headphones. In this day and age with materials available and technical expertise,  for the price charged, the E Trac should have had these problems addressed. Also, it has a bit of a learning curve.

I'm annoyed with Minelab as the E Trac was originally £999 when first in UK market. It's now £1239 despite the pound having gained against the dollar. This is a blatant rip off.

I agree with UK Brian's post where he says Minelab will now drastically reduce the price of the E Trac to compete with the Xp Deus. In my original post I suggested sitting on the fence and waiting, and if you were going to get one it was worth paying a bit extra to get the E Trac over the SE.

I agree with your comment that the XP Deus is basically the G-Maxx and Goldmaxx in one. The G Maxx2 was my all time favourite machine. However, the Deus offers a LOT more in terms of lightness, tones, pin pointing, beach mode, cordless headphones, battery meter etc etc.

I have an XP Deus on order as I'm fortunate I can afford it. I don't throw money away however, and it will be some time before XP reduce, if at all, the price of £1350. The price of their existing machines never seemed to drop. They know that people will buy at the price they ask so why should they drop their price?

At last Minelab have some real competition and this is why, as Brian said, the next few months will be interesting.

If you don't mind the weight and lack of cordless headphones and time taken to learn to use, then I would say, wait a couple of months and pick up a new E Trac for £800 !!! At this price it will be a better machine than the Deus !!! :)

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Don't take offence rjm, I am finding what you say interesting and will look forward to hearing what you say when you have the Deus. But most of all I will be interested to see if the finds rate improves and whether the machine will pay for itself. I'm not interested in sales pitch or looks, if the machine finds the goodies that others don't then that is the most important part to me.
Personally I can't afford the new machines but like to hear people's opinions of them.

No offence taken!!

I have used many machines and for some reason I just love the XP ones. Started with XP200, then Adventis, G-Maxx, Goldmaxx Power, then G-Maxx2.

The new Deus will be these machines rolled into one plus more.

They did the business for me and I've no doubt the Deus will too.

I think the E Trac will still be the better machine if you don't mind the weight and lack of cordless headphones, but I like lighter machines especially if doing a full days detecting. What you lose with one you gain with the other and vice versa. With the E T, to get the best out of it, you need to learn the tones which can take a while.

In a couple of months, when Minelab drop their prices, the E T will be a good buy.

the battle  came to the end today,
the xp Deus 18ins on a 1euro coin
new  v300 dfx with dd coil deeper  not just another dfx better
my explorer XS  with new coil and my main mans phil (coleggwent for those that don't know him) his programme,
was top of the pops the number 1 the numro uno the bees knees dogs bol------s
crocadiles c--k top of the shop what more should i say

 :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ WHEN WILL YOU LEARN GUYS SPENDING ALL THAT MONEY ON NEW DETECTOR  STICK WITH WHAT YOU GOT AND KNOW THE SHOPS LOVE YOU LOT  :D ONCE A FOOL ALLWAYS A FOOL ;)

I can't honestly see Minelab dropping their prices, as it's them that have forced the now ridiculous prices up to where they are,
The little nips and tucks on the Explorer range with a price increase each time left nowhere for the Etrac to be priced other than above the SE PRO. Whites saw that people would pay that money and followed suit and now XP, Had Minelab not broken the £1000 ceiling I believe that Both the V3 and Deus would probably be on the market at £999.
Minelab blamed their high prices on r&r but how much development has gone into the Etrac over the original Explorer and as for processing power, the average mobile phone has 100 times more than any detector.
The dollar shouldn't come in to it as Minelab is assembled in Ireland from Australian and Asian parts.
Yes I have the Etrac and believe it is probably the best commercial vlf machine out there, but am I actualy finding more than I was 25 years ago with a Compass coin scanner.......um! no I don't think I am.

I will stick we the e trac thank you and there is no logical argument i have seen on this forum to change my mind ;) ;D ;D ;D 

ok rjm you got one on order  ??? they have not had a field test on one yet  ::) whats that all about they are at that price cos guys like you are buying them as soon as they come out if nobody paid that for them they would put the price down a load of hype again and again  :P

The right detector for me or for any new person on here starting out, is the one you can afford at the time. You can read up on detectors until you are blue in the face and come to the conclusion that the V3 or the E trac or the Platinumaxx G3000XX+Turbo but if you've only got £300 to spend then its all academic. I Personally dont see a huge casm of find quality, between the members on here with top of the range machines compared with the middle of the road machines. Put into the equation, suitability of search grounds, lack of land availability, lack of -- or good machine knowlege, time spent detecting, soil variables, exageration and imagination  :)    and I cant see how anyone can say that any particular machine is the best allrounder.

Just my opinion

well said taff thats what i say sick with what you got  ;)

got to walk over it taff how many times have we found coins on the surface. ;D ;D ;D

Yip , theres only so much a detector can do , the rest of it comes down to . Knowledge of your machine. How good your land is, and as Ian said , wether you walk over it.

and loads of luuuuuuuck. ;D ;D ;D

As I said I don't think it's going to be a better machine than the E Trac. I think the ET is the best at the moment and will be even better with a big price drop.

I am a fan of XP. I really fancy the XP Deus because of its absolute lightness and its several XP's in one. Also, once you have used cordless headphones it's a bind having to go back.

It's a similar price to several machines and as I can afford it, I'm giving it a go.

I see your point about people not paying and prices would have to come down. Hey, I've seen people paying silly prices for fuel at garages when it lots cheaper at Asda, Tesco or Morrisons!!

absolutely !

Now that's what you call modern marvels..
It should be on the "Gadget Show"