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Title: Hammered
Post by: N8 on February 27, 2018, 10:40:33 PM
2nd attempt

Found this in vale of glam recently. Think its a hammered but hard to see any detail. Tried drawing what i can see. Any help

Also thinking of cleaning it but not sure whats best, any opinions welcome

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Title: Re: Hammered
Post by: N8 on February 27, 2018, 10:51:08 PM
Also found this token? Different site though


Title: Re: Hammered
Post by: N8 on February 27, 2018, 10:54:12 PM
And finally (for now)

Is this a lead musket ball?


Title: Re: Hammered
Post by: probono on February 28, 2018, 12:03:22 AM
Well from what you have shown it's probably a Lizzie - the reverse legend is often 'I have made God my helper' - so the legend ends in 'Meum'


Title: Re: Hammered
Post by: Val Beechey on February 28, 2018, 04:36:31 AM
Welcome to DW N8
Pic 2 is almost certainly a key escutcheon, not a token.
Pic 3 is a musket ball.

As for cleaning. 1st off,  just a rub between fingers under the tap to remove top dirt. The coin is silver, so, small piece of baking foil, spit on it, place coin on top and cover. Squeeze foil tight between finger and thumb to exclude any air and leave for a few minuets. Unwrap carefully and rinse, may have to repeat a few times but be careful not to overdo it as it will turn the coin black. Be ready for the rotten egg smell when you undue the foil.
All finds can be swilled in a bowl of warm, soapy water to remove top dirt. An old, soft toothbrush is useful. Be careful with old copper coins though. More often than not the legend is only still there because of the green patina which comes off easily.
It’s always useful to show both side of a coin if you can.
Thanks for posting, looking forward to seeing more.


Title: Re: Hammered
Post by: N8 on February 28, 2018, 07:46:54 AM
Ahh, many thanks for the reply probono. The reverse side is unreadable so i was really struggling with identification.

Thanks for the cleaning tip Val I'll give it a go and post the result


Title: Re: Hammered
Post by: nobby on February 28, 2018, 02:22:44 PM
The "Hammered coin" looks to be made from copper ? If so I d plum for a Jetton ;)


Title: Re: Hammered
Post by: N8 on March 01, 2018, 11:38:04 PM
Thanks for the replies guys

I've had a look at some 'lizzies'and jetons but both dont really match my find. Theres definately a double band in the 'shield' and the little fluers look like there may be 3 of them in the between the bands.
As i said i'm tempted to try cleaning but how do you know what material the coin is before trying a clean, never cleaned anything other than a quick rinse and soft brush. Bit weary of damaging it 😓


Title: Re: Hammered
Post by: Val Beechey on March 02, 2018, 01:58:09 AM
As already advised, the baking foil is the standard test. A short time won’t damage it and if it stinks, it’s silver.


Title: Re: Hammered
Post by: Resurgam on March 02, 2018, 09:29:05 AM
                       Spot on cleaning advice from Val! If the coin 'is' silver, It may get rather warm as you hold it between your thumb and finger but not warm enough to burn you.

                                Chris :)


Title: Re: Hammered
Post by: Dale on March 02, 2018, 11:35:13 AM
I'd say it's a copper 17th century farthing token there's so many different types, and lots with the double boarded shield like your diagram.. It's also to far gone to be worried about cleaning, it sounds harsh but its true :-\


Title: Re: Hammered
Post by: N8 on March 03, 2018, 08:43:58 PM
Tried a clean but as mentioned too far gone 😯
But this one cleaned up nice, 2 fields over, same area, quite shallow

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Title: Re: Hammered
Post by: N8 on March 03, 2018, 08:44:36 PM
Other side(http://)


Title: Re: Hammered
Post by: N8 on March 03, 2018, 08:46:08 PM
Think its an Edward 1-3? Not sure which one as hard to figure out the difference


Title: Re: Hammered
Post by: Chainsaw Bampy on March 03, 2018, 08:46:47 PM
nice find n8


Title: Re: Hammered
Post by: Val Beechey on March 03, 2018, 09:05:58 PM
Well found N8. Nice coin. I can see it’s an Edward but like you never know which one  ::)
I see you’ve had a go at the cleaning. That one looks just about right.

P.s. shame about the other one but you can’t win ‘em all.


Title: Re: Hammered
Post by: N8 on March 03, 2018, 09:13:34 PM
Thanks Val, good advice

Just gutted that i cant really tell what the other coin is but chuffed to find it none the less, only visited this ste a few times so eager to go back, cursing the snow 😨


Title: Re: Hammered
Post by: Resurgam on March 04, 2018, 07:09:56 AM
                             Despite the lack of reported detail; how did it respond to the spit and foil test? Was it actually silver?

                                                    Chris :)


Title: Re: Hammered
Post by: N8 on March 04, 2018, 11:40:55 AM
                             Despite the lack of reported detail; how did it respond to the spit and foil test? Was it actually silver?

                                                    Chris :)

Hi Chris

To be honest it didnt really change much, though when i took it from the foil there was a bit of a whiff like the edward coin, so i guess it is silver but not 100% sure. Is there another way to tell what type of metal an object is?


Title: Re: Hammered
Post by: Greg on March 04, 2018, 12:00:57 PM
                             Despite the lack of reported detail; how did it respond to the spit and foil test? Was it actually silver?

                                                    Chris :)

Hi Chris

To be honest it didnt really change much, though when i took it from the foil there was a bit of a whiff like the edward coin, so i guess it is silver but not 100% sure. Is there another way to tell what type of metal an object is?

Being the coin is shot you may as well try baking soda, rub it on the coin and swill off in water, keep doing it until detail comes up/or disappears. Do not use this method unless you are prepared to ruin the coin or object.


Title: Re: Hammered
Post by: probono on March 06, 2018, 10:15:42 AM
The second coin has a bifoliate crown by the looks of it (like two prongs on the out side of the crown).

The style is wrong for an Edward III (also they tend to have lots of annulets or saltaires in the legends), Given the style, I'd say Edward 1st, class 10. it's London mint.

With the 'foil and spit' - I use a similar method, but one that doesn't involve a lot of rubbing of the coin.

Get yourself some washing soda (it's about £1 for enough to last you years). Wrap the coin in some tin foil. Put it in a cup / glass - whatever you want to use to clean things! The put a reasonable amount of washing soda on the in the cup around the coin (in foil). Pour on boiling water. As it cleans your coin, it will smell - you can light the bubbles too, which is always fun.

Before the water has cooled completely, remove the coin and wash it - depending on the coin and how I feel, I either use an old cellulose sponge or an old toothbrush or my horsehair brush I got from a jewellers 25 years ago. This will clean most of the silver chloride off it, if it is silver.

If that hasn't completely done the job I then bung it in acid for a short while, but I wouldn't recommend this just yet :)


Title: Re: Hammered
Post by: N8 on March 09, 2018, 08:27:54 PM
Many thanks for the coin id Probono, I thought it was edward 1 or 2 but theres so many different classes i got lost.
Also i may give the coin clean a go on the other coin just to see if i can get more detail up on it.
Thanks


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