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Hi to all,
Can anyone tell me....please,I've just bought a new air rifle(.22)
Question is,can I use sewing machine oil instead of gun oil,just until I can get some,also where is the best place to buy some gun oil+what do you recommend.
Thanks in anticipation..👍

Hi dingdong,had shotguns nearly all my life,just use something like 3 in one,if you got oil finished stock on your rifle,get some artist oil and some artist turps and mix them 1 part turps 2 parts oil,give a good shake and then put the palm of your hand ontop of the bottle and just dab it on your palm and rub it well into the stock,it stops water penetrating and after a while you'll have a lovely shine on the wood,hope this helps Cheers Ron.

Well said, nice one Ron.  And sewing machine oil is good.  Any light oil will suffice. Cheers.  Tom.

Hey guys, many thanks for the tips and information,very much appreciated.😁👍

For the outside of the gun only any light oil as previously mentioned, you may be over the legal limit for a few shots if you oil the inside, especially peanut oil ;D

 ;) ???......Thanks !!..👍

If you put oil in the cylinder of an airgun it will explode when compressed quickly just like a diesel engine. Doesn't do the gun any good and the pellet won't be very accurate.

Shouldn't need to oil the barrel of an air rifle, no combustion gases. 3 in 1 for the working parts and wipe the excess off with a cloth. if it gets rained on dry it off as soon as you get home and a light wipe of the metal with an oily rag. If you put it away wet the metal surfaces will start to rust in a matter of days.

Hi Chris, a friend of Johns called Mike Perrett owns a gun and model shop in Whitland. He is a member of Haverfordwest Gun Club, really nice helpful guy. You can get whatever you need from him. If you're interested I'll give you details.

Which air rifle did you get Chris?

Hi Chris, the air rifle I've bought is a new "Game keeper "" long range".22
(POP GUN !!)
I bought it from a company called Pellpax.
The reason I bought it is that we have a few rats at the top of the garden living in amongst the compost !!so they got to go !!
I haven't owned a gun in years,air rifles as a teenager,and .22 rifles in the army cadets +a .303 rifle .
And when I joined up(army) I classified on the SLR and earned my crossed rifle marksmanship badge.
Have you had any experience of these things ?
Thanks for asking....👍

                        Well, look out Mr Rat; Chris is gunning for you and he is a marksman.

                        I had been toying with the idea of owning a decent air-rifle with a fitted scope and doing a bit of target shooting. Perhaps I could even knock off a couple of rabbits and wood pigeons for the pot. The only shooting experience I have was as a youngster in the fairground shooting galleries, when they came to town.

                        Let us all know how you go on with disposing of Mr Rat at the bottom of your garden and if it was worth the investment in an air-rifle. I do own a powerful slingshot but the rats in our garden are probably rolling over and laughing with glee. as they observe my target skills with a it.  ::) ;D

Remember windige and elevation

But gun oil it's better honest

Hi sinky,thanks for that,and yes I remember, and I also recollect recoil control !!
Breathing !!!etc!!....but a long,long time ago 😁👍

             If that gun is the one I'm thinking of, your back room is going to look a little like "The Day of the Jackal".

            As you couch in your back garden, in cammo cape and face vale drawn down; Mr Rat just wont stand a chance. Don't forget to let us know the score and let us have some evidential pictures of your kills.  :) 

Hi ya again me old mate,Day of the jakal !!..LOL...more like a Jackass !!!.LOL
That made me laugh !!
Nice to know your OK,
And I will show you a a photo of the "kill" as an when it happens... But don't hold your breath.
Take care,......Chris

Soon comes back

I bought a crossman rat catcher rifle for the same thing. The guy told me to spray some wd40 over the pellets in the tin, shake it all about and the coating of oil will create a better seal and lubricate the barrel too.

Seems to work ok.

Just bought a 1.77 p250 pistol so i can rapid fire 8 pellets off and get em running about. Feels like Miami Vice!!!!!

                         I'm still waiting for Chris to post some rat trophy photographs. Hmm perhaps his old sniper skills were rustier than he thought. Or perhaps those rats have vanished when they heard that he had voted Brexit!

                         I'm still toying with the idea of purchasing an air rifle and spending some time on the target range, when the arthritis keeps me from detecting.

                          Just got an email from the finance company telling me that my Safari is paid up and I can think of reinvesting my beer money in something
else.  ;)

Good bye Mr Rowland rat...one of the few left..
Bullseye..!!!

Was that a head shot Chris?

Hi Chris,well the pellet went in behind the shoulder,didnt show the 'gore'for obvious reasons..!!!
P.S.how are you doing mate,bring us up to date ..👍

                How am I doing? Well, cancelled my last two detecting outings due to lower back and hip pain but finding the rest period is easing the situation; hence the growing interest in air-gunning.

                Six years ago we had a problem with mice plaguing our back garden and the wife was highly concerned that they would start moving into the house. Having cut some 18" lengths of 3" square drain pipe, inserted baited mouse traps and placed them in mouse run areas, we sat back and waited. Caught the little blighters by the dozen but was concerned that they were not always clean kills and I would have to dispatch some of the little critters the next day. Some traps even disappeared. Anchoring the traps to the pipes helped to stop the traps migrating to who knows where but there was still the problem of the unclean kills. A quick investment in an electronic, battery powered, mouse trap proved to be a solution to the unclean kills.

               Little mousy character clambered into the trap to get at some nice smelly chocolate and in doing so stepped onto two metal plates and made a circuit. Zap, little fellah dead in a split second; no major mess, pain, prolonged suffering, or disappearing trap.

              Last year, with the mice now under control, we had an ingress of rats into the back gardens in our area that was so bad we had to call in the council rat catcher. Not seen any rats for a while but I am not over keen on poison and thought that an air gun would provide a quick way of dispatching any vermin that may saunter across our back lawn. I also thought that some target practice would while away a few interesting hours and hone my shooting skills. Not done any shooting for over fifty years. Oops, I tell a lie! I did once try my hand at shooting clay pigeons whilst visiting a country fair. Pleasingly, I did hit about 50% of them whils using a 12g over and under.

             

               

My Logun Axsor runs at 200 bar - 3000 psi (1 bar = 14.7 psi) the choice of oil is important, as it was said earlier in the thread, oil can ignite under pressure.. Thats how a diisel engine works !

                       If my recollections of recent forays into the world of airguns serves me right, the Logun Axsor is a real nice looking gun and a fine hunting tool; would probably sell for around £500 on the secondhand gun market. Have you had a lot of hunting success with yours?

                       Your mention of gun oil and using the wrong oil causing an explosive ignition in the gun barrel set me thinking. Would a deliberate oil explosion in the gun barrel give the projectile more velocity and more impact upon striking the target? Or would it just ruin the gun? I suppose if it worked that way, one would just be arrested for using an air-gun that was operating within a restricted firearms limit?

The Axsor is a cracking bit of kit, as its a carbide its nice and light. Ive also got an old weihrauch and thats a hefty rifle and quite difficult to hold steady when unsupported.
We had a rat infestation a couple of years ago on the farm and at the peak was popping off 15 - 20 a night ! The handy thing about the axsor is that you can double tap the vermin, I know its pest control but theres no need for causing unnecersary suffering.
Regarding oils and ignition, I think the main damage is by blow back that could damage/destroy the seals...costly and inconveinent.
 Also too thick an oil will dramatically reduce velocity, and can create sticky residues that will also affect accuracy.

Thanks for the enlightenment Ian; every little helps.

                  Well, spent all of Saturday chasing around after the grand-kids and even got hijacked into spending several hair-raising hours in the swimming pool. With a ten year old, a three year old, and a five year old on the loose we our work cut out for us and it took all four of us to keep them in check.

                   Once the kids were all packed off and the wife settled down to watch the men's final at Wimbledon, I sneaked out to the local gun shop and paid off the last thirty quid on an air-rifle that they had put aside for me. The 0.22 break barrel springer was initially priced at 160 pounds but they dropped the price to 100 for me. Nothing special but it did come with a scope and it will give me the opportunity to see if I will get any enjoyment out of target and vermin shooting in our back garden.

                   www.airgunsmith.com (http://www.airgunsmith.com) have a nice selection of printable air-gun targets that you can print off directly from their web site. Anyone recommend an air-gunning site suitable for budding sharp shooters?  ;D

Just 2 say I have the r ten --22 loves James cagnies (rats) 4 the younger members once u zero your gun ln and wham

Slowing down at the moment and reverting back to the heading "Gun Oil".

Down loaded printable air-gun targets from "Airgunsmith" and am organising a backboard to pin them on.

During the first shots into my homemade, targeted, pellet trap, I noticed the production of smoke during and after a shot. I believe that this may be referred to as dieseling and has been mentioned earlier as a problem that may be caused by using the wrong oil. Being a Chinese made air-gun, I'm guessing that they probably slapped any old oil in there.

Hi ya Chris,i wouldn't worry,my air rifle is also of Chinese manufacture and smokes identically in the way you discribe.
I only oil where the barrel breaks for loading,and a very little also on the trigger mechanism.
The only other oiling is a quick wipe of a lightly oiled rag along the outside of the barrel.
No problems whatsoever...... bullseye !!
Good hunting👍

Our rats must be rolling with laughter at my target practice. Just learned that the secret of accuracy with a sprung air rifle is to hold the gun lightly with the left hand and not to grip it tightly. Watch out ratty, i'm gunning for ya!

Back to the target board tomorrow.

Get a Cairn Terrier, you will never see a rat again. :D ;) ;)

If you want to get rid of rats find someone who keeps ferrets and when they are cleaning them out get a bucket of their s**T and spread it around where the rats holes are , they'll soon go ! Not a good idea if they're. In the house though 😉😉😉

Hey up Chris,
                       will that work for pussy cats? I have heard that lion dung is a good deterrent but ferret poop may come a wee bit cheaper..

I don't know anyone with a pet lion to find out  ;D ;D ;D

I use Youngs 303 gun oil (Parker Hale) for my shotguns and pcp air rifles. Been using it for decades for internal and external protection of my guns.

Hhhhm, that figures. What about a pet dragon?  ;D

I was recently advised that WD40 or 3 in 1 oil would do the job just as well as gun oil and I have plenty of of both in the shed. Would there be any constructive reason why I shouldn't use either and spend a couple of bob on a proper gun oil?

You could try doing an experiment using a sparingly amount of different types. But without good calibration and recording equipment it might be a bit difficult.
Though I was always under the impression that lead is self lubricating anyway, regular cleaning of the bore is all that's needed.(Thats why old petrol engines needed lube additives when switched to unleaded to avoid valve burnout)
I usually use a piece of wooden dowel and small bits of cotton waste wadding run through does the job. I use wd40 sprayed down bore as cleaning agent . It may take a few run through till the wadding comes out clean.  The first few times don't be surprised that the wadding comes out black.

Manchester terriers were Queen Victorias ratter of choice and its suspected the dog found on the Mary Rose the only female member of the crew was also a Manchester.
Though its hard to believe judging by my lazy little girl !

Looking at that pic reminds me of the Fairy Tale of 'The Princess and the Pea'

Couldn't get any more comfy. Looks a bit like my two 'guard' dogs.

Wow, you have two Manchester Terriers as guard dogs?   

Or you could get a pair of Patterdale terriers like mine, excellent rat catchers  ;)

You won't beat ballistic oil great stuff for anti rust and has never dieselled in mine.

                  Well, not been out detecting for weeks now. Still having problems with Arthur Ritis; he is a right pain in the butt. Been filling my time getting to know my new airgun; a Chinese made 0.22 SMK Victory LB600 break barrel rifle. Initially had problems with the gun dieseling but it now seems to have settled down and is quieter with no smoke after having fired a pellet.

                 Been slowly getting some target practice in the back garden and I do mean "slowly". Initially was looking to hit a barn door but have now narrowed it down to standard targets and getting all shots on target but as of yet no bull's eyes. Practising the artillery hold for springers and fine tuning the sites helped tremendously but I think that I would fare better if I used a shooting rest. I haven't yet managed any tight groups but I am creeping the pellets closer to the bull's eye.

                 I am going to give the gun a good cleaning next week but have been advised to also give it a good strip down and re-lube the spring and piston system with a none burn, silicone, lubricant. 

                 Hey-ho, nothing's simple these days!  ::)