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Title: Roman Brooch
Post by: Dale on April 22, 2015, 09:00:37 PM
Chef can you please work you magic on this one for a friend of mine, any info would be great. ;)


Title: Re: Roman Brooch
Post by: Dale on April 22, 2015, 09:02:11 PM
 :D Here's the photos


Title: Re: Roman Brooch
Post by: benny on April 22, 2015, 09:07:22 PM
That's a beauty!


Title: Re: Roman Brooch
Post by: Dryland on April 22, 2015, 09:43:21 PM
What a little cracker, as good as the day it was made


Title: Re: Roman Brooch
Post by: handyman [Alan} on April 22, 2015, 09:46:34 PM
It will be nice when it's finished!


Title: Re: Roman Brooch
Post by: Dryland on April 22, 2015, 09:55:02 PM
 ;D ;D


Title: Re: Roman Brooch
Post by: Chef Geoff on April 22, 2015, 10:02:20 PM
OMFG!!!!!!! I haven't heard of Bristol museum being broken it to lol. There certainly aren't many like that out there did he check for bones or ash? was it undone or fastened when found?
OK well the simple answer is "Not a scooby" well apart from being Polden hills so 1st century ??? It's certainly not a regular type (Hattatt) and I would even be tempted to say it's foreign except it looks very British and even copies some Colchester brooches in design BUT leave it with me, I haven't been beaten yet so I'll find it even if I have to invent a new type for it :D :D


Title: Re: Roman Brooch
Post by: Dale on April 22, 2015, 10:16:56 PM
OMFG!!!!!!! I haven't heard of Bristol museum being broken it to lol. There certainly aren't many like that out there did he check for bones or ash? was it undone or fastened when found?
OK well the simple answer is "Not a scooby" well apart from being Polden hills so 1st century ??? It's certainly not a regular type (Hattatt) and I would even be tempted to say it's foreign except it looks very British and even copies some Colchester brooches in design BUT leave it with me, I haven't been beaten yet so I'll find it even if I have to invent a new type for it :D :D

He told me he thinks its never been worn, in hand its so much better the pin still moves :o its a 1980's find what he's kept for this long, I don't really know much more about it, iv passed it on to a friend of mine now who's started to collect brooches (the reason I got it in the first place) maybe I should of had it for myself :-\
A couple more photos

Cheers Geoff il look forward to the update ;)


Title: Re: Roman Brooch
Post by: marknewbury1 on April 22, 2015, 10:17:17 PM
it looks perfect the day was made what a cracker


Title: Re: Roman Brooch
Post by: hotmill on April 22, 2015, 10:18:55 PM
Fantastic!


Title: Re: Roman Brooch
Post by: Chef Geoff on April 22, 2015, 10:20:09 PM
[ iv passed it on to a friend of mine now who's started to collect brooches (the reason I got it in the first place) maybe I should of had it for myself :-\


No! you should have sold it to me that's what you should of done lol


Title: Re: Roman Brooch
Post by: Dale on April 23, 2015, 05:47:24 AM
Geoff have you been up working on it all night lol ;)


Title: Re: Roman Brooch
Post by: Kent on April 23, 2015, 06:17:02 AM
WOW


Title: Re: Roman Brooch
Post by: grego on April 23, 2015, 06:46:41 AM
Fantastic.


Title: Re: Roman Brooch
Post by: Chef Geoff on April 23, 2015, 10:43:35 AM
OK well an answer of sorts (and yes Dale most of it lol) as said it's a Polden hills type but a derivative (which is the experts way of saying they don't know lol)  having designs similar to, not Colchester as I first thought, a Later Dolphin brooch and so is dated pretty late for a Polden hills at around 170 AD, there are 3 other known examples though there could be far more that are worn and have lost the comma design from the head, interestingly the other 3 have been found in Worcestershire, Cirencester and Thornbury and so could be unique to the Cotswold villa culture and could explain its late date as the intricacy of the pin/spring would have made it far more expensive to manufacture than the hinged pin it also seems to totally rely on the surface relief for decoration at a time that brooches were increasing being enamelled :-\


Title: Re: Roman Brooch
Post by: troutmasterfunk on April 23, 2015, 12:56:42 PM
Wow what a cracker Of a Find... ;)


Title: Re: Roman Brooch
Post by: dingdong on April 23, 2015, 05:11:39 PM
What an absolutely incredibly beautiful artifact is that what detecting is about?....YES IT IS......very,very,well found,well done👍


Title: Re: Roman Brooch
Post by: celticspikey on April 23, 2015, 06:53:09 PM
Amazing absolutely amazing, probably the best I've seen ;) ;)


Title: Re: Roman Brooch
Post by: Dale on April 23, 2015, 07:11:15 PM
OK well an answer of sorts (and yes Dale most of it lol) as said it's a Polden hills type but a derivative (which is the experts way of saying they don't know lol)  having designs similar to, not Colchester as I first thought, a Later Dolphin brooch and so is dated pretty late for a Polden hills at around 170 AD, there are 3 other known examples though there could be far more that are worn and have lost the comma design from the head, interestingly the other 3 have been found in Worcestershire, Cirencester and Thornbury and so could be unique to the Cotswold villa culture and could explain its late date as the intricacy of the pin/spring would have made it far more expensive to manufacture than the hinged pin it also seems to totally rely on the surface relief for decoration at a time that brooches were increasing being enamelled :-\

That's excellent Geoff, I knew you would get there even if it took all night :D Thornbury is surprising all thought there's a lot of Roman activity in and around the area........ Im sure this brooch was found near Gloucester if I remember right, it ties in ;) Il also pass the info on to the finder the weekend.

Thanks for your help ;)


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