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It looks to have age but 2000 years?

That looks in way to good a condition is it genuine ? 

What did it cost Dale, I sold mine to my mate 6 years ago £2500, who was an avid collector of celtic and had hundreds literally. My feeling is wrong :-\ Bodvoc inscription looks odd ??? It's almost all to good, that said its not in my hand and other folk on here would probably disagree and have more knowledge  ;) good post though mate......please don't tell me you found it ;D

Its not mine, its one listed on eBay at the moment, It just don't look right both sides are central, the Bodvoc is fully on the coin rarely seen and worn even, the horse don't look right at all the ears, nose, neck it looks more like Rudolf to me :o the wheel is 6 spoked like a Catti and others, Bodvoc normally has 8. There should be a X between rump and neck but even that don't look right.
Its surprising how many gold struck Bodvocs are out there just take look on the celtic coin index, near the bottom of the Bodvoc page.

The new one iv shown is a forgery with a full Bodvoc inscription, struck in gold (Catalogued: 1981)

I would of gave scrap metal for it plus abit, but its on £650 at the moment.

I'm with you on this one Dale, mine had 8 spokes, as for the bid of £650 wow, be interesting to see where it ends up. ;)

It will be interesting, its just my thoughts, it may be right but I don't think so.

I just looked back at yours you can see the differences between the two ;)

That just looks too wrong to be right...

It does mate ;)

If it's a copy how old would it be please?

Im thinking about the 80's it looks to have some age to it, the way the gold has toned it seems there was a load of fakes being produced around then, it may have something to do with detecting the coins starting to come to light so people will copy due to the high value.
I found a Bodvoc copy called the Bristol forger, but even he managed 8 spokes, there's some dangerous fakes out there. ;)

Dale my mate was offered many fakes around the eighties ??? He lived in Bristol but managed to winkle them out from the genuine finds of which there was many at this time, going back to this one  on e/ bay I get the feeling the seller will remove it :-\ :-\ his story to my mind is doubtful and lacks real providence, and the questions asked by people are picking at it. This is just my view I may be wrong, but he opens him self up to scrutinising on e/ bay as we all do, and rightly so,  ;) ;)

Good, im glad he did spot em out;) Talking about providence this is the last Celtic coin the eBay seller sold, he says this coin was found in Basildon, and given to me as a memento? it sold for £174 someone took a hit somewhere? This is a photo I have of it in a mag sold back in May, the bright photo is the listing photo ;) Nothing wrong with a little dealing though ;D

I remember the fakes doing the rounds in the late 70's early 80's there used to be a coin and stamp shop on Cotham Hill in Bristol that had a little display of fakes under their glass counter but this was at a time that the Seaby catalogue had some listed at £30k and a few just marked as "unique" and at a time when dodgy dealing in metal detecting finds was more rife quite a few probably passed into private collections.
I think that until Ebay and the like bring in a ruling that all antiquities have to have either a PAS record sheet or a letter of authenticity from an "expert" (auctioneer etc) then people are going to try pass these copies as the real thing.

Yep I knew the shop as well Geoff, as you rightly say some ruling on authenticity needs to come in to force.  ;)

And there is that company that advertises they will copy any coin medal you like ...  that does nt sit quite right

It sounds like there's a few dodge characters in Bristol :D

I agree Geoff something needs to be done about it, its worth taking a Google its surprising how many fakes there are, some are made not to trick people like the WRL but it still does, but some are made for fooling and money gain..... I think hammered coins your pretty safe buying on eBay but Roman silver and Greek I wouldn't touch ;)     

There was a John penny on ebay a few weeks ago, which was a WRL coin with the WRL rubbed out - it made £111 - despite me telling the seller it wasn't genuine.........

Something that I've often wondered is just how many fakes are out there with the right metal, right amount of wear and just the right amount of imperfection to ever be found out, the answer would probably be frightening :-\

with the quality of machinery available today , the skills and just greed anything can be copied , look what the Chinese do with fake morgan dollars etc , and what about the white £5 notes the Nazi's produced during the war years  :o :o scary stuff indeed

Geoff look at pic two of the Bodvoc coin the gold looks the right colour for a Dobunni stater (pink ish) its thought the gold was mined from the Welsh hills that's why the coins got a rose gold colour to them due to the above average copper content, it may have more to do with the lighting.

Look at these 3 Durotriges staters all being sold by Saxbey coins, you can see casting bubbles in the fields, there all the same moulds, got same striking crack there just polished and photographed in a different ways, there going for £120+ all fakes and very easy to spot :-\    

What is sickening with some of these dealers is they know what they are selling is a forgery ??? i had one of my customers question a silver peace dollar i was selling, i removed it straight away and grave it close scrutiny and research before putting it back on sale , lucky enough it was genuine  :)

I agree its wrong >:(

The thing is BM the coins above are some of the cheaper item he sales some of the fakes hits high 100's to 1000's

the question that should be asked is how he acquire such coins does he have a source to these  dodgy coins ???

Did a bit of research online about him this guy should be behind bars!!!!!!

Take a look at this site, just chose your category........ I hope the link works

www.forgerynetwork.com (http://www.forgerynetwork.com)

what a nightmare , what is real and what is fake that is being offered for sale ??? the only way to know for sure is to dig it up

how does it work with that internet company that will make any coin you want ?  do they mark them some how so they are supposed to be seen as copys ?

                        Jeez, you can't trust anyone these days; counterfeit pound coins and counterfeit Celtic coins! I'm glad I'm not in the market for Celtics; I think I'll wait and find my own for free.  ;D Hopefully.  ;)

The Bodvoc sold for £670 so others had the same thoughts about its authenticity, Celticspikey said he got £2500 for his 6 years ago.

Far to cheap Dale as you know, I guess the buyer will be returning it when he try's to get it authenticated, or sell it on  ;D for some other poor chump, to take a hit. Just for interest I will post a picture of mine tomorrow for interest.

Yeah stick it on mate it will be good to see, im sure Cheff Geoff could put the two side by side to show the difference :-* :D

Here you go Dale, sorry about the picture quality, my late mates wife still has the coins I sold him so I want to contact her and  get some better quality photo's. ;)

Here you go

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Cheers Paul and Geoff ;)

Geoff you done a good job on Pauls photos, I can now make out his face in the reflection holding camera ;D

Joking aside the copy does look good, there's a few small errors what shouldn't of been made what would of made it more convincing like the crosses, spokes, neck, and maybe the gold quality??  but looking at Pauls the horse is much sharper (rear legs and neck) even the crosses, its a very nice coin mate.
I take it you've spotted the damaged die on the D of Bodvoc? Iv seen other examples with it creeping over the top of the O so yours obviously is a earlier strike, its all good research ;)

Nice comparison Geoff well done, sorry about the ugly mug reflection Dale ;D thanks for your observation, my mate noticed the damaged die, like you he had an eye for detail Dale. Thanks guys. ;)

I thought it was Bodvoc himself at first Paul ;D

I just bought a new Dobunni unit of a dealer now as we speak :D Im trying to get a the highest grade I can of each silver unit, the trouble is the Dobunni struck loads :-\

A doctored or cast without the WRL siege halfcrown about to sale for £1000 the seller has (0) feedback eBay item Bay item number:

261722615333

To spend that sort of money the buyer should have some idea about coins, I cant believe people don't pick it up !!

defo cast

Ouch, there's a buyer for everything ???

I saw that one and thought - very wrong - I've got a genuine one and it doesn't look the same.

Mind you, if you were to start on roman coins on eBay, you'd have a list stretching into many pages - last time I did a proper search on the uk site I would say at least 50% of the silvers were fakes

Or a good method of money laundering...   24 bids, seller with Zero feedback and not even a question asked about the item...

Thats a good point Andy, I assume you've done that before   8) 8) ??? ;D ;D

Well I've left a fiver in my jeans in the laundry once... not recommended...  :D

Australian notes would survive that!  ;)

 ;D ;D ;D

Plastic bank notes not paper.................. ;)

No more bids it sold for £1,000.

Romans has got to be one of the most copied coins, id say there easier to get away with a lot of the Greek being sold I wouldn't trust either.

I spotted this one in a top London auction house, its a known copy of a Anted stater from the Dobunni tribe, a very convincing one to. I contacted the auction house they replied after two days and were very grateful, they had to removed 9 Celtic golds in total and all different types :-\  


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There is serious money to be made from forgeries. If there are no strict controls, and the sentencing is lenient, then I guess the unscrupulous will always consider the risks worth taking. In bygone days the forger could have been sentenced to death. In 2009 you could get just 6 months for selling forgeries!!  

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/organiser-coventry-moles-club-jailed-3082799 (http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/organiser-coventry-moles-club-jailed-3082799)

I think I might have seen that one on numisbids (allows you to search multiple auction sites) - if it was that one, then it was an auction house that should have known better - although tbh as celtic isn't really my area, then I wouldn't have necessarily known....

Cheers Alan, Im pretty sure the coins he sold was gold saxon! I remember this story ;)

Roland I found it on Numisbids I use it a lot, its a great site for a quick search ;) I just checked on the lot now and its been withdrawn. ;)

And here's a Trevor Ashmore copy of a Corio quarter stater I never realised he did Celtic coins I thought it was just Saxon.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/QUARTER-STATER-OF-THE-DOBUNNI-AN-ASHMORE-COIN-/171778000788?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item27fec44794 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/QUARTER-STATER-OF-THE-DOBUNNI-AN-ASHMORE-COIN-/171778000788?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item27fec44794)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Ashmore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Ashmore)

PM sent Dale

Yes, Dale - I found it again - as I was looking at one of the coins that was withdrawn - I think a lot of these coins are a lot easier to spot in hand than from photos - I had thought the one I was looking at (although I'd no intention of bidding on it) was a bit plastic......