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Title: Yesterdays buy... East Wiltshire unit
Post by: Dale on December 10, 2014, 07:03:11 PM
I thought id show the newest coin to the collection, its a East Wiltshire silver unit. Iv done a small but interesting cut and paste below... Thanks to detectorists ;)

The East Wiltshire tribe is a small group striking uninscribed coinage in gold (mainly base) silver & bronze. For many years the East Wilts coins were looked upon as crude contemporary copies of the Dobunnic series but thanks to many more being found by metal detectorists in recent years they are now recognised as much more than this. Found in North & East Wiltshire, Oxfordshire and occasionally in West Berkshire this tribe occupied land sandwiched between the Dobunni to the North & Atrebates to the South both of which must have been friendly neighbours as if not then surely the East Wilts Tribe would never have been as successful as to strike quite a series of coinage.


Title: Re: Yesterdays buy... East Wiltshire unit
Post by: celticspikey on December 10, 2014, 07:57:22 PM
I thought id show the newest coin to the collection, its a East Wiltshire silver unit. Iv done a small but interesting cut and paste below... Thanks to detectorists ;)

The East Wiltshire tribe is a small group striking uninscribed coinage in gold (mainly base) silver & bronze. For many years the East Wilts coins were looked upon as crude contemporary copies of the Dobunnic series but thanks to many more being found by metal detectorists in recent years they are now recognised as much more than this. Found in North & East Wiltshire, Oxfordshire and occasionally in West Berkshire this tribe occupied land sandwiched between the Dobunni to the North & Atrebates to the South both of which must have been friendly neighbours as if not then surely the East Wilts Tribe would never have been as successful as to strike quite a series of coinage.
Another one for the collection Dale, they are fasanating little coins, and that's s nice example mate.   ;) ;)


Title: Re: Yesterdays buy... East Wiltshire unit
Post by: Dale on December 10, 2014, 08:56:12 PM
Cheers Paul ;) They are fascinating coins. The good thing about the Dobunni tribe is there's a massive variety of units,  but one thing iv always wondered was why there dished??


Title: Re: Yesterdays buy... East Wiltshire unit
Post by: nonker10 on December 10, 2014, 10:29:32 PM
iv'e found a couple of quarter gold staters locally in hereford  one of corio and one uninscribed and they are beautiful coins.a freind of mine found a full gold stater 20 yards from me and the workmanship is stunning.


Title: Re: Yesterdays buy... East Wiltshire unit
Post by: probono on December 10, 2014, 11:32:32 PM
The dishing is just how they made the dies - I sometimes think it helped centre (and hold) the blank when striking - if you think about it there are many dished ancients - even coins of Alexander the great have a dished reverse and domed (by virtue of the image of 'Alexander') on the obverse 0 it also makes it a bit more an imposing coin for less metal it seems


Title: Re: Yesterdays buy... East Wiltshire unit
Post by: celticspikey on December 11, 2014, 09:41:45 AM
Great explanation probono , I know one thing I've been lucky enough to find quite a few staters and 1/4 s and as you sieve through the soil with your hands you don't have get excited when you feel that dished coin, my Dobunic Comux was found at night ( legally I mite add) and I knew what I was holding before I set eyes on it, obviously never knew it was gold till the light shone it, a great feeling ;)


Title: Re: Yesterdays buy... East Wiltshire unit
Post by: Dale on December 11, 2014, 08:34:58 PM
iv'e found a couple of quarter gold staters locally in hereford  one of corio and one uninscribed and they are beautiful coins.a freind of mine found a full gold stater 20 yards from me and the workmanship is stunning.

I remember your two quarters nonker, your uninscribed looked very similar to the Corio, I later found out the obverse die for this coin was used until completely obliterated, that's why it looked blank.


Title: Re: Yesterdays buy... East Wiltshire unit
Post by: Dale on December 11, 2014, 08:37:15 PM
The dishing is just how they made the dies - I sometimes think it helped centre (and hold) the blank when striking - if you think about it there are many dished ancients - even coins of Alexander the great have a dished reverse and domed (by virtue of the image of 'Alexander') on the obverse 0 it also makes it a bit more an imposing coin for less metal it seems

Cheers for the info probono ;)


Title: Re: Yesterdays buy... East Wiltshire unit
Post by: Dale on December 11, 2014, 08:40:49 PM
Great explanation probono , I know one thing I've been lucky enough to find quite a few staters and 1/4 s and as you sieve through the soil with your hands you don't have get excited when you feel that dished coin, my Dobunic Comux was found at night ( legally I mite add) and I knew what I was holding before I set eyes on it, obviously never knew it was gold till the light shone it, a great feeling ;)

Don't rub it in Paul :D :D Fair play you've done well over the years, as you've said before the finds don't come with out the hours ;)


Title: Re: Yesterdays buy... East Wiltshire unit
Post by: probono on December 12, 2014, 10:19:35 AM
I remember being told that when I was first starting to collect ancients - many of the fakes aren't dished - at least they weren't when they were being pressed. I was also told to look out for completely parallel faces on the coins - genuine coins are usually a bit thicker on one side than the other.


Title: Re: Yesterdays buy... East Wiltshire unit
Post by: topcat on December 12, 2014, 09:27:32 PM
This is a little silver i found near Newbury Berks a few years ago Caraticus have not seen many of these .


Title: Re: Yesterdays buy... East Wiltshire unit
Post by: Dale on December 14, 2014, 09:06:31 PM
This is a little silver i found near Newbury Berks a few years ago Caraticus have not seen many of these .

Nice find thanks for showing ;)


Title: Re: Yesterdays buy... East Wiltshire unit
Post by: Dale on December 14, 2014, 09:26:26 PM
The dishing is just how they made the dies - I sometimes think it helped centre (and hold) the blank when striking - if you think about it there are many dished ancients - even coins of Alexander the great have a dished reverse and domed (by virtue of the image of 'Alexander') on the obverse 0 it also makes it a bit more an imposing coin for less metal it seems

I thought id show this one from the Treasure Hunting mag, what a find !! A Iron age coin die ;)


Title: Re: Yesterdays buy... East Wiltshire unit
Post by: probono on December 18, 2014, 12:08:31 PM
I saw that some time ago (the article rather than the die!).

It would be quite a magic thing to find one of those.


Title: Re: Yesterdays buy... East Wiltshire unit
Post by: Dale on January 11, 2015, 01:37:22 PM
I thought id show a new silver unit I bought, this one is known as the East Wiltshire Upavon Moon Head.


Title: Re: Yesterdays buy... East Wiltshire unit
Post by: probono on January 13, 2015, 10:34:42 AM
Nice - thanks for sharing.

I did think about collecting Iron Age coins at one point - partly because I was going out with someone at the time who looked very much like 'Liz' in Chris Rudd's lists (I know that's a stupid reason to collect something) - but they are always very small and very expensive and I was very skint, so went for cheap roman coisn instead......


Title: Re: Yesterdays buy... East Wiltshire unit
Post by: Val Beechey on January 13, 2015, 03:51:54 PM
My Hubby, he who know lots about nothing and nothing about lots and is not always right but never wrong  ::)  says the reason the dyes were domed was to stop the metal sticking to it.

Go away, think about it and then tell him he's wrong (if you dare) ;D

Val


Title: Re: Yesterdays buy... East Wiltshire unit
Post by: sinky on January 13, 2015, 04:49:16 PM
 ;)  very nice 2  well done  I live in Penarth by the way  take care out there .


Title: Re: Yesterdays buy... East Wiltshire unit
Post by: Dale on January 13, 2015, 08:39:53 PM
Nice - thanks for sharing.

I did think about collecting Iron Age coins at one point - partly because I was going out with someone at the time who looked very much like 'Liz' in Chris Rudd's lists (I know that's a stupid reason to collect something) - but they are always very small and very expensive and I was very skint, so went for cheap roman coisn instead......

The good thing is Roland high grade Dobunni units or Bristol's don't come up very often so a few weeks or a month between coins don't effect the pocket, it would be a different story if it was one a week tho :D What coin are you collecting at the mo? you seem to have a huge variety ;)

PS... Liz is a attractive woman ;D


Title: Re: Yesterdays buy... East Wiltshire unit
Post by: Dale on January 13, 2015, 08:56:01 PM
My Hubby, he who know lots about nothing and nothing about lots and is not always right but never wrong  ::)  says the reason the dyes were domed was to stop the metal sticking to it.

Go away, think about it and then tell him he's wrong (if you dare) ;D

Val


Hi Val,
Its a good point your hubby made, I don't know why they are dished that's why I asked the question, so anyone's thoughts would be great ;)  one thing I did notice when I went to the Corinium Museum is that the clay coin moulds were dished, if they were flat on the bottom you would have great difficulty getting the blank out, the dished bottom would allow the blank to pop out a lot easier, so they may have made the die to suit the flan?
A little photo for you, its the clay dished moulds it was found at the Dobunni HQ :)


Title: Re: Yesterdays buy... East Wiltshire unit
Post by: Dryland on January 13, 2015, 09:21:43 PM
It looks like John might be right Val ???


Title: Re: Yesterdays buy... East Wiltshire unit
Post by: outlaw on January 17, 2015, 03:46:25 PM
Interesting thread and views ???


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