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Title: seal matrix Post by: nobby on March 31, 2014, 05:09:45 PM Cleaned and waxed ;).......strangely the animal looks like my chowchow ;D
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: handyman [Alan} on March 31, 2014, 05:11:46 PM thats a little beauty. well found nobby.
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: dances with badgers on March 31, 2014, 05:20:39 PM wows thats awsome nobby mate.blows mine out of the water lol. :D
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: Chef Geoff on March 31, 2014, 05:33:07 PM It it a brilliant piece Nobby and to answer your question when you found it of "is it religious" I think it probably is as the first word appears to be "IESUS" for Jesus but that's were I get lost :-\
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: colin on March 31, 2014, 05:53:07 PM great find nobby and in great condition ;)
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: Villan (Neil) on March 31, 2014, 06:02:04 PM That is a stunner :o
I was lucky enough to see it on the day too. Well done Nobby ;) Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: nobby on March 31, 2014, 06:04:29 PM Found this one on ebay.... Has the same inscription
http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/150841459470?nav=SEARCH (http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/150841459470?nav=SEARCH) Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: jcb (THE THIMBLE) jones on March 31, 2014, 06:13:32 PM looks cracking mate fair play
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: matthewbullingham123 on March 31, 2014, 06:16:17 PM Very nice , i would be chuffed! :)
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: Chef Geoff on March 31, 2014, 06:18:21 PM Well spotted Nobby but they could of told us what it means :(
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: matthewbullingham123 on March 31, 2014, 06:19:45 PM http://www.vcoins.com/it/stores/den_of_antiquity/48/product/medieval_bronze_seal_matrix/111421/Default.aspx (http://www.vcoins.com/it/stores/den_of_antiquity/48/product/medieval_bronze_seal_matrix/111421/Default.aspx)
Found another aswell. Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: matthewbullingham123 on March 31, 2014, 06:21:37 PM elda is italian for waririor? So warrior jesus? or in anglo saxon times mean wise?
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: Chef Geoff on March 31, 2014, 06:21:48 PM Same one ;)
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: matthewbullingham123 on March 31, 2014, 06:22:48 PM What you think of my above post chef?
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: Mike on March 31, 2014, 06:25:15 PM superb find mate , much better than sausages and amazingly the string / lace has survived all them years ::) :o ;D :) :)
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: Chef Geoff on March 31, 2014, 06:36:04 PM Ah good shout Matt which has given me another thought and that is as Elda is a female name (old version of Hilda) it may read IE_SU_S_ELDA which would translate as "I AM THE SIGIL OF ELDA" so "I'm the seal of Hilda" ???
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: Dryland on March 31, 2014, 06:37:38 PM Cracking find Nobby, You should take your chow to the vet if he's got legs like the one on the seal ;D ;D
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: Dryland on March 31, 2014, 06:39:39 PM Thats a great bit of detective work Geoff.
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: hotmill on March 31, 2014, 06:50:33 PM Cracking seal!
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: nobby on March 31, 2014, 07:13:21 PM Lol mike your crazy ;D
Matt you ve put me on the right track....saxon Elda means wise or prudent advisor.....thanks mate ;).....was looking for Latin translations Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: Val Beechey on March 31, 2014, 07:24:47 PM That's what I was doing Nobby. I automatically thought Latin. But had ELDA buzzing at the back of my mind.
Think you're right there Geoff, well ferreted. Great find Nobby. Wonder what the variant centres mean. GEOFF ??? Val Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: Chef Geoff on March 31, 2014, 07:31:10 PM This is courtesy of Wikipedia
In Christian tradition, Mark the Evangelist, the author of the second gospel is symbolized by a lion - a figure of courage and monarchy. It also represents Jesus' Resurrection (because lions were believed to sleep with open eyes, a comparison with Christ in the tomb), and Christ as king. Some Christian legends refer to Saint Mark as "Saint Mark The Lionhearted". These probably false legends say that he was fed to the Lions and the animals refused to attack or eat him. Instead the Lions slept at his feet, while he petted them. When the Romans saw this, they released him, spooked by the sight. Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: Tafflaff (Rob) on March 31, 2014, 07:36:23 PM It looks like I.E.S.A.S though, the fourth character is the wrong way up for V or U
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: Chef Geoff on March 31, 2014, 07:41:46 PM Don't you start ;D ;D Believe me it's a V
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: Val Beechey on March 31, 2014, 07:44:04 PM Yes but didn't the Romans use a V instead of U ;D
Val Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: Tafflaff (Rob) on March 31, 2014, 07:44:32 PM Its upside down for a V explain man!
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: legio11augustus on March 31, 2014, 07:44:46 PM i want one ....cracking find
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: matthewbullingham123 on March 31, 2014, 07:46:21 PM The puzzle is coming in to place now , geoff could be right there :)
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: legio11augustus on March 31, 2014, 07:46:45 PM its upsijavascript:void(0);de down for an A too
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: The Doc on March 31, 2014, 07:48:36 PM Great find nobby!
I agree the letters are IESVSELDA This is from a seal description on PAS: ...within a beaded ring, with a legend circumscribed IE SV SEL. This is nothing to do with Jesus (IESVS) but Norman French, 'I am the Seal': part of a longer inscrition sometimes found, such as 'Ie Sv sel a Thomas Viel' or 'Ie Sv Sel prive' ...so it could be IE SV SEL DA I am the seal (of) DA (maybe Davi, David, Daniel? Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: matthewbullingham123 on March 31, 2014, 07:51:23 PM Great find nobby! I agree the letters are IESVSELDA This is from a seal description on PAS: ...within a beaded ring, with a legend circumscribed IE SV SEL. This is nothing to do with Jesus (IESVS) but Norman French, 'I am the Seal': part of a longer inscrition sometimes found, such as 'Ie Sv sel a Thomas Viel' or 'Ie Sv Sel prive' ...so it could be IE SV SEL DA I am the seal (of) DA (maybe Davi, David, Daniel? Think thats the final piece, Da being shortened for something Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: Tafflaff (Rob) on March 31, 2014, 08:05:57 PM Well Da is latin for I give or give but its not Latin the seal ? Otherwise it could mean I give you my seal/sigil
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: Chef Geoff on March 31, 2014, 08:14:41 PM I'm happy with that Peter but it's frustrating not knowing the name, Da as the first two letters of a given name doesn't figure in the top names from the period so we shall probably never know :'(
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: nobby on March 31, 2014, 08:22:23 PM Great detective work guys thanks.....I personally think it's da monkey :D
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: nobby on March 31, 2014, 08:23:33 PM Only it's a lion...aaaaaaargh....lol
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: Tafflaff (Rob) on March 31, 2014, 08:50:06 PM I'm happy with that Peter but it's frustrating not knowing the name, Da as the first two letters of a given name doesn't figure in the top names from the period so we shall probably never know :'( Are you sure Chef, didn't Manfred man sing about someone called Da ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iTwlfDuG2s&feature=kp (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iTwlfDuG2s&feature=kp) Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: Dale on March 31, 2014, 09:23:06 PM Nice one nobby, great find ;)
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: Dryland on April 01, 2014, 12:08:26 AM Da is also the welsh word for "GOOD "
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: congerman on April 01, 2014, 11:25:59 AM nice find well searched ;)
Title: Re: seal matrix Post by: Da Monkey on April 01, 2014, 11:58:30 AM Great detective work guys thanks.....I personally think it's da monkey :D That was what i was about to say nobby ;) ;D ;D 'ere, give me my seal back !! |