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Title: id please
Post by: hoover-G on February 15, 2014, 02:47:36 PM
Any help on these markings please. Had this for about an year now silver snuff - pill box and I've searched high and low trying too find out what these stamps are and never got anywhere. It sits on my top shelf and is the only thing that hasn't been identified it's been eating at me to find out. Thanks


Title: Re: id please
Post by: jcb (THE THIMBLE) jones on February 15, 2014, 02:54:34 PM
swiss use ducks as a silver mark , cant tell you anything else as the star thing i dont recognise i think the italians use the star , but it would not make sense to have a swiss and italian stamp or would it ??


Title: Re: id please
Post by: hoover-G on February 15, 2014, 02:58:18 PM
Yea it's probably how far I got too when I searched mate first thoughts was star of david but there's not enough points to be this so it's been puzzling me


Title: Re: id please
Post by: jcb (THE THIMBLE) jones on February 15, 2014, 03:06:16 PM
i just seen a similar star in the usa stamp so aint got a clue ??? ???


Title: Re: id please
Post by: hoover-G on February 15, 2014, 03:09:41 PM
i just seen a similar star in the usa stamp so aint got a clue ??? ???
was the star you seen a makers mark. Any chance of a Link too view what you seen mate. Cheers


Title: Re: id please
Post by: diggaduff on February 15, 2014, 03:11:40 PM
Sorry searched but no joy :( but a beautiful silver box :)


Title: Re: id please
Post by: hoover-G on February 15, 2014, 03:17:13 PM
Sorry searched but no joy :( but a beautiful silver box :)
Thanks ;) off all the markings animals etc it had too be ducks and a star  >:(


Title: Re: id please
Post by: jcb (THE THIMBLE) jones on February 15, 2014, 03:28:28 PM
lol


Title: Re: id please
Post by: Dryland on February 15, 2014, 03:46:42 PM
Whats that under the duck, is it a crab ?


Title: Re: id please
Post by: Dale on February 15, 2014, 03:56:20 PM
Whats that under the duck, is it a crab ?

Its 3 ducks :)


Title: Re: id please
Post by: hoover-G on February 15, 2014, 04:01:34 PM
Whats that under the duck, is it a crab ?
webbed feet under the ducks. On close inspection above the ducks maybe a letter above each duck.  Hard too see it in pictures but it may read A.R.H, H.A.R, R.H.A


Title: Re: id please
Post by: Dryland on February 15, 2014, 04:04:02 PM
lol oh God my eyes are getting worse ;D ;D


Title: Re: id please
Post by: hoover-G on February 15, 2014, 04:08:00 PM
Can anyone else see the letters in pic 3 above each duck or have I got too re book an eye test Haa


Title: Re: id please
Post by: Dryland on February 15, 2014, 04:14:39 PM
No you're right there are letters  :D, Are you 100 % sure it's silver or maybe silver plate ?


Title: Re: id please
Post by: Dale on February 15, 2014, 04:15:39 PM
Can anyone else see the letters in pic 3 above each duck or have I got too re book an eye test Haa

Yeah I see something there, the best thing to do is get a strong glass on it


Title: Re: id please
Post by: Dale on February 15, 2014, 04:19:14 PM
No you're right there are letters  :D, Are you 100 % sure it's silver or maybe silver plate ?

I was thinking the same....... it may be gold gilt in side, or just the metal its made of and silver plated out side, a lot of them are.


Title: Re: id please
Post by: hoover-G on February 15, 2014, 04:24:15 PM
No you're right there are letters  :D, Are you 100 % sure it's silver or maybe silver plate ?
right so I've tested it again to be sure with my caratest solution inside and the outer case and it tells me it's silver.  ;)


Title: Re: id please
Post by: hoover-G on February 15, 2014, 04:27:42 PM
My eye glass shows the letters I mentioned. The stain colour you see inside is most probably cause by what was kept in the case snuff etc.


Title: Re: id please
Post by: Dryland on February 15, 2014, 04:30:52 PM
Strange one , I've been dealing in gold and silver for over 30 years and I can't say That I've ever come acros this one. ???


Title: Re: id please
Post by: hoover-G on February 15, 2014, 04:38:20 PM
Strange one , I've been dealing in gold and silver for over 30 years and I can't say That I've ever come acros this one. ???
Rare one then lol. Another strange thing was that I showed a guy who deals antiques back in the summer and the only thing he said after he had his eye glass out was its very nice and offered me a number of purple 20 notes which offcourse I declined as I was curious to why he never gave me any info on it just wanted too buy it  ???


Title: Re: id please
Post by: hoover-G on February 15, 2014, 04:54:03 PM
If anyone does positive identify what they see then there's a paid rallie in it for them. And I don't mean made in the Swiss by an Italian guy who's initials is A.R.H lol  ;D


Title: Re: id please
Post by: Dryland on February 15, 2014, 05:25:04 PM
This is really bugging me, as something at the back of my mind is saying pewter marks.


Title: Re: id please
Post by: jcb (THE THIMBLE) jones on February 15, 2014, 07:25:27 PM
ar is the province in italy where it is made  AR . The Province of Arezzo or Arretium (Italian: Provincia di Arezzo) is the easternmost province in the Tuscany region of Italy.
http://www.silvercollection.it/SILVERSMITHSAR.html (http://www.silvercollection.it/SILVERSMITHSAR.html)


Title: Re: id please
Post by: jcb (THE THIMBLE) jones on February 15, 2014, 07:39:54 PM
i think there would have been a number with the star and that would identify the maker have a look here
http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=27003&start=100 (http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=27003&start=100)


Title: Re: id please
Post by: hoover-G on February 15, 2014, 07:55:49 PM
ar is the province in italy where it is made  AR . The Province of Arezzo or Arretium (Italian: Provincia di Arezzo) is the easternmost province in the Tuscany region of Italy.
[url]http://www.silvercollection.it/SILVERSMITHSAR.html[/url] ([url]http://www.silvercollection.it/SILVERSMITHSAR.html[/url])
we may be halfway there with the letters however I can't seem to find a star inside a star that matches mine surely there's another silver item with the same stamps out there


Title: Re: id please
Post by: Val Beechey on February 15, 2014, 07:56:48 PM
Think I might have cracked it Fellas.   See link and look for SPAIN.  

http://www.925-1000.com/foreign_marks3.html (http://www.925-1000.com/foreign_marks3.html)


Val


Title: Re: id please
Post by: hoover-G on February 15, 2014, 07:58:34 PM
This is really bugging me, as something at the back of my mind is saying pewter marks.
would pewter show up a  creamy grey silver colour that represents silver on the acid test chart.


Title: Re: id please
Post by: hoover-G on February 15, 2014, 08:02:56 PM
Think I might have cracked it Fellas.   See link and look for SPAIN.  

[url]http://www.925-1000.com/foreign_marks3.html[/url] ([url]http://www.925-1000.com/foreign_marks3.html[/url])


Val
now your talking val just need too find the right shape and stamp like mine in there.  Some of them stars are looking promising.  So it may be Switzerland cross Spanish.


Title: Re: id please
Post by: matthewbullingham123 on February 15, 2014, 08:08:36 PM
http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=27659 (http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=27659)

someone with same marks as you


Title: Re: id please
Post by: jcb (THE THIMBLE) jones on February 15, 2014, 08:28:27 PM
https://picasaweb.google.com/emmetcs2/TravelSet#5384722822987715506


Title: Re: id please
Post by: jcb (THE THIMBLE) jones on February 15, 2014, 08:34:19 PM
i seen the three ducks earlier which means its just a swiss import but cant find it again


Title: Re: id please
Post by: jcb (THE THIMBLE) jones on February 15, 2014, 08:46:28 PM
i think it was made in Arezzo or Arretium in italy and then imported through switzerland , and without the number by the stars i dont think we will find the silversmith good luck i been on this around 4 hrs lol


Title: Re: id please
Post by: hoover-G on February 15, 2014, 08:48:43 PM
i think it was made in Arezzo or Arretium in italy and then imported through switzerland , and without the number by the stars i dont think we will find the silversmith good luck i been on this around 4 hrs lol
thanks pal 4 hours  ;) 14months I been at it lol


Title: Re: id please
Post by: legio11augustus on February 15, 2014, 09:06:22 PM
hoover, have another look at it under a glass and see if there are any more marks anywhere else ...you will be suprised there could be some in the pattern or hidden away ...just might give you another clue to go on


Title: Re: id please
Post by: hoover-G on February 15, 2014, 09:46:51 PM
hoover, have another look at it under a glass and see if there are any more marks anywhere else ...you will be suprised there could be some in the pattern or hidden away ...just might give you another clue to go on
Been all over it pal. Only other marks are 3 vertical lines scratched by purpose in the  corner off the lid and the same in the corner above the the stamps shown. No other letters or stamps than what's shown in pictures.  I'm going too email a few swiss and Italian silversmiths with the pictures maybe they will get back too me


Title: Re: id please
Post by: legio11augustus on February 15, 2014, 09:57:29 PM
oh ok its a toughy,i agree with val , could be spanish ...keep us posted im intrigued


Title: Re: id please
Post by: Dryland on February 15, 2014, 11:10:40 PM
When you tested it earlier,did you scratch the surface first?


Title: Re: id please
Post by: hoover-G on February 16, 2014, 12:38:03 AM
When you tested it earlier,did you scratch the surface first?
lol yea offcourse I've been testing precious metals for years mate no the routine  ;)


Title: Re: id please
Post by: hoover-G on February 17, 2014, 10:38:18 PM
Had a reply from the Swiss guy i emailed.  He's searched high and low in trying too identify the hallmarks and can't find anything in fact he's never seen anything like it. Very nice it is he said


Title: Re: id please
Post by: legio11augustus on February 17, 2014, 10:43:50 PM
if you can get a contact in spain it would be good,as i still think val was correct


Title: Re: id please
Post by: hoover-G on February 17, 2014, 10:48:27 PM
if you can get a contact in spain it would be good,as i still think val was correct
The Spanish have yet too reply and Italians may follow behind eventually lol  fingers crossed


Title: Re: id please
Post by: hoover-G on February 17, 2014, 10:56:11 PM
I've emailed a few so never know out off the blue I may get a positive id.   ;)


Title: Re: id please
Post by: matthewbullingham123 on February 18, 2014, 08:21:04 AM
I've emailed a few so never know out off the blue I may get a positive id.   ;)

If you do let us know ive been searching for days  :(


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