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Title: Has metal detecting become too popular?
Post by: Hoard Dredger on December 18, 2013, 02:05:58 AM
Ok Been Blackpool recently, There was 9 detectorists on there,
Rhyl two weeks ago 7 detectorists on there,

Has this hobby become to popular?  " Your Thought's Please"


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become to popular?
Post by: Richie sixpence on December 18, 2013, 05:56:39 AM
Is anything being found though?   :)


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become to popular?
Post by: handyman [Alan} on December 18, 2013, 07:45:53 AM
the beaches are big enough. plenty of room for everyone.


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become to popular?
Post by: Chef Geoff on December 18, 2013, 08:04:37 AM
It's not even close to being as popular as it was in the late 70's early 80's, the internet gives a false impression of it's popularity but it doesn't take too long to realise that if you belong to several forums your talking to the same 500-1000 individuals. Beaches can be misleading as they not only attract those who are hardened beach detectorists but it's the usual and obvious place for newbies to go before they have any inland permissions and the more popular the beach, the higher the concentration of detectors.
It's a sobering fact that for every 10 people that come in to the hobby only 2 will still be in it after 12 months ;)


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become to popular?
Post by: carling2 on December 18, 2013, 01:26:16 PM
im struggling to carry on after almost 8 years,so I must be hard core ;D,defo spent less time detecting this year than any other and now with the end of the year coming up its a good time to think of other things,no regrets though its been fun  h.h all.


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become to popular?
Post by: celticspikey on December 18, 2013, 01:46:41 PM
Ok Been Blackpool recently, There was 9 detectorists on there,
Rhyl two weeks ago 7 detectorists on there,

Has this hobby become to popular?  " Your Thought's Please"
I agree with the comments already made ;) also think of all the time you drive around to different places !! and just how often do you see detectorist's in fields ??? we live in a big country plenty of room, I very rarely see anyone, In fact I think I am the only one who does Wiltshire ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become to popular?
Post by: Spooyt Vane on December 18, 2013, 03:12:55 PM
Ok Been Blackpool recently, There was 9 detectorists on there,
Rhyl two weeks ago 7 detectorists on there,

Has this hobby become to popular?  " Your Thought's Please"

We have up to 80 plus detectorists on my small island (33miles by 12miles) and beaches are still producing after nearly 40yrs ...No hobby can not get to popular,as i get abit of green eye on  the amazing finds the newcomers make. BUT.....I would miss handling a rare object that would add a new chapter to our wonderful history.....000


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become to popular?
Post by: HAMMERRHOID on December 18, 2013, 03:28:28 PM
Ok Been Blackpool recently, There was 9 detectorists on there,
Rhyl two weeks ago 7 detectorists on there,

Has this hobby become to popular?  " Your Thought's Please"
I agree with the comments already made ;) also think of all the time you drive around to different places !! and just how often do you see detectorist's in fields ??? we live in a big country plenty of room, I very rarely see anyone, In fact I think I am the only one who does Wiltshire ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
There are three of us has me HAMMERRHOID and my son Cut/half live and detect in Wiltshire when we are not detecting with DetectingWales . But it is true what you say you rarely see anyone detecting when you are travelling about (except if you happen to pass by a DetectingWales dig on a Sunday) :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become to popular?
Post by: Neil on December 18, 2013, 05:48:50 PM
I have only ever seen two single people detecting and had one other pair ask me if they could join me in a field in all my time swinging the coil. For a few years I was out several times a week, and apart from jaydogg and mark ( my detecting buddies) we never saw a soul.

As Spikey said its a big old country. We are definitely in the minority! Personally I still have never met anyone socially who I consider a detectorist, but lots of people who have a detector in their attic or shed gathering dust.

Interesting debate

Neil


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become to popular?
Post by: 150aceboy on December 18, 2013, 05:58:01 PM
The more the better i say, as been said there's plenty of room, and the more popular detecting becomes, perhaps the prices will come down on detectors etc .


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become to popular?
Post by: The Ferret on December 18, 2013, 06:00:13 PM
It's not even close to being as popular as it was in the late 70's early 80's, the internet gives a false impression of it's popularity but it doesn't take too long to realise that if you belong to several forums your talking to the same 500-1000 individuals. Beaches can be misleading as they not only attract those who are hardened beach detectorists but it's the usual and obvious place for newbies to go before they have any inland permissions and the more popular the beach, the higher the concentration of detectors.

It's a sobering fact that for every 10 people that come in to the hobby only 2 will still be in it after 12 months ;)

Thats a shame :(


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become to popular?
Post by: dances with badgers on December 18, 2013, 06:58:17 PM
ow get off my beaches lol


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become to popular?
Post by: Spooyt Vane on December 19, 2013, 02:34:14 PM
ow get off my beaches lol

Didnt Winston Churchill say fight them on the beaches.......does that apply to detectorists now / ;D


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become to popular?
Post by: galoshers on December 19, 2013, 03:33:02 PM
traveling round the country by car and train and passing gazillions of fields that have never  seen a searcher ,most (99 % ?) fields will never be done  till hell freezes over.
despite the numbers of owners of machines.
there must 1000s of stonking hoards still buried .


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become to popular?
Post by: carling2 on December 19, 2013, 07:10:20 PM
sorry I really don't believe in this 1000s of hoard theorys,,if we take the whole of the u.k and factor in how much land has been built on,{urban sprawl,housing,airports,shopping centres etc etc} yes there could be a few hoards buried underneath a housing estate or 2,,then consider that much of the landscape we see today wasn't even accesable 2000 years ago,{waterways,floodplains,dense woodland etc} then throw in another factor that a lot  of the land we see today hasn't seen a living soul before the 1700s with great swathes of the country virtually unwalked on by anybody in the history of mankind,,another factor is there was probably more  hoards found in the 18,19th c mostly due to to people moving massive amounts of earth { building canals, railways etc}.


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become to popular?
Post by: Mike on December 19, 2013, 08:00:53 PM
sorry carling I disagree , hoards come in all shapes and sizes  from a couple of axes up to 1000's of coins , iv lost count how many have been found over the last year or 2 just by guys on this forum let alone other forums or clubs throughout the uk  and let us not forget the hoards that are never reported  ::)  yes no doubt some are buried under the m4 or Tesco's car park but I believe there are still 1000's out there waiting to be found , hopefully just 1 will have my name on it  ;)


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become to popular?
Post by: Chef Geoff on December 19, 2013, 09:10:58 PM
There is far more down there than will ever be found, thousands of square miles of land that was previously inhabited by our ancestors hove the ground levels they walked on meters below the current ground level and any and all hoards buried there are lost forever, at least to metal detectors.
All the hoards found by metal detectors have only been so because they were in range ???


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become to popular?
Post by: galoshers on December 20, 2013, 04:35:07 PM
the monster hoard in jersey popped out of the blue and only cos they brought in a hoardhunter machine .that was just an anonymous field .very lucky that a few lose coins near the surface prompted them to bring in the big machine to find the mother of all hoards VERY  deep. who would have followed their example ?not many if any..


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become to popular?
Post by: carling2 on December 20, 2013, 05:49:57 PM
I think there has been a few people in detecting that have come across a area that throws up coins{or objects} from a certain period in time {when there dosent appear to be anything else age  related in that particular field and yes there could be a hoard especially if near a feature or hedge,i have 1 spot like that 10 mins from my house and knowing what the soil conditions are like in that particular field I can imagine that anything in a hoard context is going to be deep,the field is only small and rarely gets turned over but I guess if there is a hoard there ,there it will stay until someone wants to give me a hand with a monster machine  ;D or maybe future generations may find it when the field in question is ploughed enough to make a difference.


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become to popular?
Post by: Spooyt Vane on December 21, 2013, 02:37:22 PM
Carling i have been in hobby nearly 40yrs and i know from personal experience that most hammered hoards are with in 9ins to 10ins of surface.and you can fit 561 hammered coins,21ingots and a bracelet into a vessel the size of a pewter drinking vessel and buried at less than 10ins.....Dont forget they wanted to recover their hoards quickly and so they were quite shallow...I think about 60/70 hoards have found here and we predict that is still three times at least,that number,yet still to be fouund.....keep looking......Rob :)


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become to popular?
Post by: carling2 on December 21, 2013, 06:09:58 PM
didn't say it was a medieval hoard and the ground is on the edge of a floodplain,,if you can find 4 dinari,s on  the edge of a floodplain next to a hedge in a 2ft square space in a field where the nearest coin age wise to show up is Victorian,, tells me something there???


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become to popular?
Post by: carling2 on December 21, 2013, 06:20:09 PM
just  a little footnote,, the field in question is less than a acre in size so ive searched it pretty well,,as for floodplain , on the floodplain map 3 quarters of the field is blue.,,i would welcome any more thoughts on this subject as I don't intend scanning the area again as I think its done but being almost on top of a floodplain I would think if there is a hoard there it would be metres deep as ive stated before this field rarely gets ploughed {only once in 7 years that I know and showing perm pasture on google timeline to at least 1999 {will have to ask the farmer if its been turned over before ,apart from the time I know about?},,,,,,,,,,on some background info the farm in question has a big roman presence ,1 field that is mainly civilian {loads of bronze grots ;D and evidence of military in 4 other fields surrounding civilian area {plenty of dinari,but not so many grots ;)},,all coinage is 1st-4thc


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become to popular?
Post by: galoshers on December 22, 2013, 03:35:49 PM
it might have been buried 9 inches deep 500  years ago but that doesnt mean the level hasnt changed over the decades for various reasons.
it could be that shallow hoards found so far were only found because todays machines wont find very deep hoards .see garys unfound hoard test .
on sloping hills any hoards buried would be deeper as soil gets washed down the hill in rain or ploughing ?
XP were suppossed to be bringing out a hoardhunter attachment that fits on the Deus in minutes but it seems to be delayed .that would be a big help in making a quick check to see if a motherload is buried deep


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become to popular?
Post by: carling2 on December 22, 2013, 04:14:37 PM
my point exactly considering the field in question is half floodplain ,there would have been layers of silt probably spread over the whole field during 2000 years and with the recent ploughing if there is a hoard there it could have disturbed it bringing a few coins to the surface in detecting range,,thinking about it the coins I have recovered from the site wernt shallow {I think 8-10 inches} I may voice my concerns with the farmer and see if he,d be willing to use a  digger on the  area in question {im thinking a 5ft square,3 meters deep} im either going to make me self look a prat or be grining from ear to ear ;D,,watch this space.


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become too popular?
Post by: Spooyt Vane on December 23, 2013, 04:47:30 PM
A big Roman hoard in big vessel needs a big and deep hole to bury it in .....That should come with in range of most detectors...Why should they bury smalller hoarrd at same depth..We see in recent weeks that reclaimed flloodplain is a daft place to build houses....I am sure that the Romans had more sense....PROBABLY RIVER DREDGINGS  ARE  THE REASON FOR  THE ROMAN FINDS......


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become too popular?
Post by: Chef Geoff on December 23, 2013, 05:33:02 PM
It doesn't matter how big the hoard is, unless the coins have fused together (copper) then you're still only detecting one coin, multiples signals yes but not one big one ;)


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become too popular?
Post by: carling2 on December 23, 2013, 05:58:17 PM
romans had more sense,,,,yea right I can think of 1 example of a known roman fort built on a floodplain not 20 mins from here.,,im getting to like this topic as when I 1st posted pics of coins earlier this year rob was 1 bloke that said there could well; be a hoard there as hes had the same circunstances ,, now hes gone very un hoardy  ;D,,as for roman finds as river dredgings I don't believe that for a minute {about 40 bronze and a little less in dinari+about 9 fibulas in fields 2 fields away from river and next to nowt in fields next to river},,must be very picky water ;D especially when you conside im still picking up the same material 5 fields away from river very much on the high ground.?,, I think the finds are there because there are at least 4 roman period known cropmarks in the fields {low and high ground} and a known roman road bordering several of the fields ;D


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become too popular?
Post by: Chef Geoff on December 23, 2013, 06:01:09 PM
The Somerset levels are full of Roman remains now meters under the soil. Their engineering soon sorted out sea walls and drainage.


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become too popular?
Post by: Dale on December 23, 2013, 06:23:25 PM
It doesn't matter how big the hoard is, unless the coins have fused together (copper) then you're still only detecting one coin, multiples signals yes but not one big one ;)

Geoff I just did a little test I filled a 500g tub with old copper penny's, then placed one old Vicky penny on its own the same high as the highest in the tub, to make the test fair... first I went over the penny in till I had a faint signal then went a foot forward over the tub at the same height it blasted my ears off, I then went a good 6inches higher to get the faint signal on the tub.
Is it different in the ground?   


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become too popular?
Post by: Chef Geoff on December 23, 2013, 07:12:22 PM
Yes somewhat as mineralisation will negate the more distant coins so at it's limits the machine will only detect the nearest target ;)


Title: Re: Has metal detecting become too popular?
Post by: galoshers on December 26, 2013, 10:08:29 AM
just a heads up, Nigel has started a waiting list for the Xp Deus hoardhunter attachment if you want to get on it ,i am first in the Q


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