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OK, lets have your views on this pair. Marquess of Queensbury rules apply, no biting, gouging or spitting. You can abuse detectors as much as you like but no abuse of other members please.

Thats a can of worms you've opened there Geoff!!!

Tonight ladies and gentlemen we have:

John Pugh in the Red Corner - undefeated Commonwealth Explorer Champion versus . . . well we shall see!

Should be interesting ;)

Neil

I have no experience of either of these machines so I guess I'm in the neutral corner...... :D.......

I've got to weigh in on the Minelab side owning an X-Terra30, Minelab Muskateer - great machine and an Explorer II.

I've only ever really handled a Fisher F75 and it feels nicely balanced and really light, which I am sure will appeal to some. Also I have seen some good finds from it, but I am more than happy with the power of the Explorer for the time being.

Lets hear some Fisher owners comments - theres plenty of you on here.

cheers
Neil

Im lucky enough to have both machines,  :) Both excellent in my opinion, both should be used in all metal for the best results. The Fisher is my choice of the two on ploughed land, and if time is limited. Have not got the E-trac yet but it will be replacing the Explorer.

i owned the ex11 since it's day of releash and only bought the fisher 75 about 6 month's ago. in all honesty i did'nt like the fisher at first it took about a month to get into it since then my ex11has been in the cupboard as i've realised what a heavy/slow cumbersome peice of shit the explorer is compared to the light/fast recovery good depth of the fisher. so to all the muppet's who's brainwashed by minelab's advertising keep dragging the heaviest detector in production around. YOU KNOW IT MAKE'S SENSE

I use the Fisher and get on fine with it. Never used a Minelab so can't compare.

Some people are always wanting the latest new machine, but in my opinion it's better to know your machine well and stick with it. Although at the moment, everyone seems to want an E-trac, by next year there'll probably be an E-trac Pro or an E-trac II. If you've already been through Explorer XS, Explorer II, Explorer SE and SE Pro before getting your E-trac, you're probably a hopeless Minelab slave anyway ::)

The E-trac is a far better machine than the Explorer 11, the most important change is the faster processer and lighter weight,Most people want the best machine for the conditions where they detect I think more than a fashion statement. There is not a massive difference between the Explorer xs to the Explorer SE, but there is a big difference between the E-trac and explorer range, I have done my homework on this machine, just like the Fisher-75 when that came out. There will inevitably be a E-trac 11 but the important features will be the same (speed, depth) and there will be just small improvements, just like the explorer range.  :)

OMG what a question to ask a guy who uses An F75 and an E trac. Although!!!!!!! The E trac IS NOT supposed to be an Explorer. Yes ,it looks like an Explorer but Is it one ? Its a really difficult question to answer this one ,because the E trac has quite a few similarities to the Explorer and you`d be hard pushed to say its not a Re vamped & Tuned up Explorer . But I`m told by Minelab it is NOT an explorer so where do you go from there ?
 Anyway I`m still learning the E trac and I`d still consider myself a Novice at it. BUT in answer to the First posters Question. I personally Prefer the F75 to the Explorer. I`ve had the Mk 1 & the Mk2 Explorer and I think the F75 is the better of the two .
Its easier to use easier to understand , as deep as an Explorer Mk1 or Mk2 in All metal ,and Its a joy to swing being a light weight . If i HAD TO give anything to the Explorer, I`d say the Explorer handles the Highly mineralized ground better . Thats all.

Jeb do you find that its faster than the explorer 11, dont like the slow pick up of the Explorer Im hoping the etrac will be much sharper on targets?

i have an explorer XS...i use a bungee harness, it takes the weight and supports my tector when i dig ! i'm happy with it.. ;D

Hi Neil

Ive owned an advantage i just noticed while looking at the minlabs on Ebay that the person i sold it to is selling it on im tempted to buy it back lol.

Hi Jeb
Would you say theres big difference between the explorer and the Etrac ??

round 1,  thisis aimed at scan club members firstly spoke to pat good, at sun rally, looked at his hammy, spoke about his machine minlab se. with  dd coil he is very happy with it, to those that dont now pat he is a fit 78 year old, i hope i got his age right, and has been a great andenergenic decterists for many years, mike pat seems to handle the weight, maybe you should get down the  gym  if the minlab was to heavy for you ;D

why swing a heavy explorer all day when you can use a nice light fisher . you;ve got to walk the same speed as an oap for the explorer to recover from an iron signal

I`ve just Edited my original Post Max, as I thought you were asking about the F75 but now on re reading it ,i think your asking about the difference between the E trac and the Explorer ?????
If you are Yes i do A lot faster . If Your on about the F75 , the answers Still the same .Yes
Much faster. ;D

Maxine wrote " Im hoping the etrac will be much sharper on targets?"
 A lot depends on how your settings are set.
 I`m battling against my years of "conventional" methods of detecting at the Moment with the E trac as the Programme i have used mostly uses CONDUCT in the Tone ID.  with "smooth" in the Sounds . Now these settings cause the Iron to give a High squeal, and Thin hammered to give Low sounds , which in "olde school" terms is back to front.
 So it gets your grey cells jittery, when you hear a high squeal, then think ,"hang on no, its iron isn`t ? " because in Olde school learnings Iron was a low tone.
 I can MAKE the Iron become low and the Silver high by using FERROUS sounds but then using Ferrous sounds with the other settings in my particular programme, messes the other settings up `for me`.

I actually went out Tecting yesterday and unfortunately for me tore the ligament even more, in my right lower arm while tecting with the E trac.(tennis elbow)
I suffer from "Tennis elbow " unfortunately And Frozen shoulder so,these medical problems have always plagued me when detecting over the last few years.
 That was the main reasons why i stopped using the Explorer and went over to the F75.
 But when the E trac came out, i was reliably informed by Excellent `inside `information, that the E trac was something a bit special ,AND not quite as heavy as an Explorer. So i bought an American bungee Harness called the "swingy Thing " and went out and bought the E trac. The bungee does a good job of eleviating the weight of lifting the E trac, but you still have to swing the Detector and to my cost i`ve found out that with Tennis elbow the Bungee doesn`t stop all problems people with tennis elbow or frozen shoulder have to contend with.
Its OK for people with NO AILMENTS such as tennis elbow or frozen shoulder no matter how olde they are to swing the Heavier detectors. But if you have such medical probs as i have , the Heavier detectors are looking  threatening to say the least on making your detecting "awkward or uncomfortable" as I`m experiencing to my cost unfortunately
Yes it is a Beast of a Detector ,but it looks like My olde ailment is going to stop me as before using this exceptionatly good detector now as it did the Explorer which i used for three years.
It looks like I may have to think very seriously about only using my F75 as because that is such a lightweight detector you hardly notice its there and parting with my E trac .

I have found Hammered Groats at a measured 12" with the SE, I would be surprised if the F75 could match that, as for the ETRAC Paul Southerwood has the ETRAC and I have whooped his but the last half dozen times out and that is with my DFX.
Paul is having a hard time getting used to the ETRAC and he has used minelabs before.
I personaly think unless you want the ability to download programmes from your computer you just as well stick with the Explorer, its a lot of money for what little extra you get.

Steve.

It can do most definitely Steve in the all metal mode trade punches with the SE..
 The thing is Steve, quite a few people are Still learning the E trac because it is a new detector not been out long,and I know of two guys in particular who know the E trac Very Well,who have both been testing the E trac for over 6 months now courtesy of Minelab Detectors, and one of them USES AN SE himself and even he admits the E trac (in capable &proficient  hands) is a detector that can out perform the SE. The depth is not the Issue, its the ability of the E trac to outperform the SE and MK1 & 2, in the irony ground that it excels by means of a lot faster Processor .
I also know of another Minelab stalwart who used a Mk1 and then a Mk 2 Explorer for a very long time and when the SE came out he thought" ah, an upgrade". But he was disappointed with the SE and told me he thought the Mk2 was a better detector and wished he`d not bought the SE after. He has since changed his SE for a E Trac ,and thinks the E trac is the Dog`s danglies.  ;D

Hi  Jeb,   interesting read, i must admit that i was not impressed when i upgraded from the mk 2 to the SE.

You live and learn.

Steve.

Well Steve, I had a lay off from Explorers after my Mk2 . I missed the SE out and now have the E trac. So in all honesty i cannot give a verdict on the SE at all . I am only truthfully relaying what friends of Mine tell me who have the SE.
 Gordon Heritage is one of the Guys I`m talking about and Neil(slow n Low)Jones , and Dean (Belzoni) Crawford, although i think Niel is the only one still using his SE (says he can`t afford the e trac yet) ;D But he does rate the e trac as a better detector and has compared signals, on occasions the e trac gave a loud sharper signal compared with the SE`s weak feeble signal, so they were impressed with those results.The three of these guys are noted detectorists in the detecting world so it wasn`t a case of wrong settings being used. So the e trac has been proven to be a force to be reckoned with for the future .

one thing everyone overlook's is the site's these guy's are going on. they are on top site's with lot's of celtic roman and saxon artifact's on if they were to use a mid priced detector they would still find nice stuff. you wont find anything on a field if your useing an e-trac fisher white's or anything else if there's nothing there in the first place. are the same people being asked to field test a company's latest machine because their a good detectorist or because they've got access to prime site's. funny how no field test's are conducted in wales

That's a very good point altinkum.

Oh yes Mike i`d go along with you on that definately. The lads from down Sarf would go home crying after  a day up here`s detecting. I go down to Glostershire detecting with a good friend of mine quite regular. Its nothing to come off his fields with three or four or more Roman brooches and half a dozen Roman Coins, (and not Grots either)
Found my first ever Minim down on his fields . By the end of the day I had lost it !!!!
He was telling me in this particular field he had had over 100 Roman brooches  over a two year period of searching it.
I`d found two complete good ones up here in thirty odd years of searching. t
The ones i found in his fields ,still had the spring attatched to them , the soil was that good. Some people are so lucky where they live.

What's the F75 like on wet beaches?  ???

Richy.

Rubbish!  ;D

Oh well, that's one to cross off my christmas list...... :)

Yeah,the F75 is not a beach detector. An olde Fisher 1265x was a very good beach detector BUT not the 1266x. I think there was later a 1266x with a beach mode added to it, but the first 1266`s didn`t. I know this to my cost because i used a 1265 for a couple of years and when the 1266x came out i decided to buy one . I traveled 70 miles; all the way over to Morfa bychan ,& switch on only to hear, Wow weow Woew wawwwwwwwww. IT HATED the wet sand.; :o
 The Americans like to say they do beaches with the F75, but i can tell you now ,if you want it wowing and wailing continually in your ears then go down to a beach and do the wet sand with it.
 If you want a good detector to do wet sand get a Minelab Sovereign. Fit the WOT coil or an SEF coil to it ,and work it in ALL METAL MODE & its a VERY deep seeking detector.

Hi Jeb

My friends got a Caravan down Morfa have you found anything down there ?
we just found fishing wieghts ;0(

I find the Exp2 works ok on wet sand around here.
If you want the depth and run it a bit hot, you got to put up with a fare bit of chatter.
If you tone it down you still get a good bit of depth and i,ll give your ears a rest !.

Ive never rated  the Fisher  F75 before this Board.
But since ive done a keyword search on the F75 Ive found a new respect for the machine and i maybe I,ll get one Middle of next year.
Thats if a good used E-trac doesnt come up on ebay in the meantime lol

Phil Jones

Hi Phil, like most other beaches Morfa Bychan has been pounded to death over the years .
I was down there once and bumped into a guy detecting. He was using a Sov with a Wot coil too. He was from Durham !!!!! :o :o   So, no where`s safe from marauding Saesneg ;D
 I have mainly ceased to do beach work ,ALTHOUGH ,i do love a days beach hunting given a good prospect beach. But thats the dilemma, around the Welch coasts. Bad weather most of the year doesn`t bring folks onto beaches to swim much.
So , as time goes on , more stuff has come off beaches than goes back on them, so its a declining prospect of a good days hunting on one. Needless to say that`s why i don`t go hardly nowadays. Plus O`l beach campaigners like Willie the Wizard have played them out . ;D
 

Hi Jeb
Your dead right popular Beaches are very over worked not like when i Started 10+ years ago
thats why i thought Morfa was going to be good because its right in the sticks and i was told the navy used the area for target Practice I was expecting Shipwreck goods and maybe victorian coins but nothing of any note came up and there was 4 of us
We moved over to Pendine later and did a lot better.
Its a beautiful Place id like to go back there but i wont waste my batterys Detecting  ;D


regards Phil

hi,  read all the different comments, i have the minlab ex 11, just bought the dd coil,  iron mask setting -10, my 2 mates have ex xs the only difference was mine would go 2 inches deeper,mind you they wouldn t have it. i have no comments on the fisher 75 as i dont now the machine, yes i had sore elbows,  took months to understand it,   my mates, helped me fine tune it, 2 and a half years later i would not swop it.  for any machine i think the e trac, will be a good machine but ifyou read the reports you can download programs but it also says that fine tuning is needed to get the best out of it . my swing speed is 3seconds both ways  how fast a recovery do you want . if you want to go racing round the  field, dont buy a minlab take your time, and the machine  will    pay you back with interest. last note the ex 11 was cardiff scan clubdect of year winner for the last 3 years last time winner scored 100 points a club record  all modern dect are good, its just the minlab is better in the right hands  ;D ;D john

"Beware Of the One Detector Man"  as the old saying go,s
Ever machine takes time to understand what there trying to tell you and as Detector technology Improves this learning curve will take longer and longer.

As someones rightly pointed out the best Detector and in the right hands wont find anything if theres nothing there to be found.
I think ex Explorer users dont like the machine because they havnt given it enough time and i guess that would be the same for ex F75 owners to


Regards
Phil Jones

Thanks for your answer Jeb.  :)

Hi Everyone,i have an f 75  explorer 2 and e.trac,the f 75 is a lovely machine deep crisp signals and the pinpoint is spot on,the e.trac is a bit of a dispointment,the pinpoint i would say is not as good as the explorer 2 and it is just as slow in my apinion,my friend with an explorer 2 had a faint signal and i could not get it with the e.trac,when we dug it at about 6 inches it was a small button,plus the fact that you loose the threshold now and then it will go very high,it happens to all of them,as for the signals about the same as the explorer 2,nowhere near as crisp as the f.75,and it tends to dig a lot of iron giving a realy good signal two way cross at top of screen ferrouse 1  conduct 35  and its a bit of iron,i never had that with the explorer 2,so i think the f 75 will take some beating as an alrounder,Paul.

the t2 will beat that nickel and dime 75 thingy any day ,even crisper sounds same depth and far faster learning curve  :D :D :D

Dunno about the F75 but you are right about the T2, had mine about 6 months now and it never ceases to amaze me it is rarely that I walk away from a field without a bit of silver in some form or another, but if you are on a busy field it is very tiring in that it will not let you walk past a bit of non ferrous metal, amazing machine. :o

 I do wish when your detecting with the T2 though Jeff, you`d stop singing that same olde song !
 " To dream the impossible dream "  By Rhydian ;D ;D ;D

http://www.rhydianroberts.com/ (http://www.rhydianroberts.com/)

 could you tell me what a t 2 dectorer is what make thanks john

It's a Teknetics, same company that makes the Fisher F75

love to walk behind fishers after they pick up all the surface junk then come along and find arrow heads and deep hammered. se  explorer 2's are tested to clearly be deeper ..
same as that cz7a rubish my minlab could find a gold ring 4 inches deeper than that lovely light thing for beginers .
 any new commers buy  a c-scope or fisher ..thanks........pmsl

Funny thing Ive had a go of a Fisher CZ5 just lately, very impressive! I have a fisher 75 and explorer 11, both excellent. You must have the right program for the explorer and dont use iron mask. I have found things with my fisher 75 after explorer users, maybe they were using iron mask in a very naily area, here's what they missed!!!

 ;D Nice one Maxine. It's not the tool , it's how you use it that counts.  ;D

that's what i tell my wife

well ive had the explorer 11 for three mouths now and sorry john.its not as good as the xs but i will say it do like iron a bit more ( you will not beat the whites dfx for hammerd coins) so do not buy the explorer poo  :D ;D

the whites mxt also loves silver but even with the 14inch dd coil i found it lacked a bit on the depht compared to other mid range detectors. i'd love to try a mxt with the sef coil on if it increased the depth i would seriously think about getting another one

Hi Mike, I've got an MXT fitted with an 15"x12" SEF, you're welcome to try it at the Caerleon rally.  :)

Richy.

cheer's mate   i'd love to give it a go for half an hour. do you find the depth has increased since fitting the sef.  mike

Hi Mike, Apologies for the delay replying, I've used the std coil, 10"x5" DD,14" Deepsearch coil and the SEF on my MXT and out of the four I'd say the SEF was the deepest especially in Relic Mode. The Deepsearch coil runs a close second but the deeper signals from the SEF are crisper and more positive.Try it and see!

Richy.

ps sorry for hijacking this thread. :(

cheer's dickle i cant wait to give it a go. i liked my mxt it was simple but very effective on the hammered but it just lacked depth. if i like the sef i may get another one.  mike

Mike I forgot to mention that the SEF has a downside...weight, it weighs 1lb 15ozs. I bought mine at a price I couldn't refuse, if I was to buy another I would go for the 12"x10" which,I've been told, is just as good but obviously lighter.

Richy.

hi phil the vac,  going back to the xsplus the dd coil, as julie robertssaid in the film pretty woman, when the women in a snobby shop embarresed her trying to buy clothes, she went elseware with richard gere spent thousands on clothes, when back to the shop asked if they where on commision, they where she then said big mistake big mistake say no more,,i ve will have my 2inches advantage on you  back if you do ;D ;D

i use my explorer 11 as a washing line prop.  i love going behind explorer user's with my fisher 75 and mopping up the goodie's.  mike

well well well ok john if you say so (any way you need them 2ins more)ha ha  :D

I,ve never owned either of these particular models but I,ve owned and used machines by both manufactures namely the fisher 1266x or should  say magnet :'( minelab sovereignxs2a and presently a minelab quattro Peter H has  made a very valid point learn to use your existering machine first before moving to another make or model it,ll save lots of money don, nt forget manufacturers and dealers are out to persuade you the latest is the greatest in reality technology as not advanced that analogue verses digital is a bit like comparing a valve amplifier to a transistor one at the end of the day they both do the jobthe grass is,nt always greener on the otherside  :) royaltea dai

    THAT'S
 NOT NICE!

how can anyone badmouth the explorer, its the best machine on the market, if it werent then nobody would by one would they??

ive had mine for about 3 years now and wudnt change it for anything in the world

It's quite an interesting debate and one where nobody will win as everyone thinks their machine is best.
I've had all the XP machines and a few others including Whites, Tesoro, Laser and Fishers. Also used Minelab Sovereigns and Advantage. They are all good in their own way.
I currently own a Minealb Safari.
I think the Minelab FBS machines are probably the best ALL ROUND machines. In other words, not the best in all situations but the best machine in most situations.
The E-Trac has a very fast recovery speed and the Safari is good too.
The other big plus with FBS is that the machines ignore coke and hot rocks. I always seemed to be digging them with XP's and single frequency machines.
I tested the GMP against Explorer 11 and the Explorer was a couple of inches deeper but depth isn't everything.
The FBS machines are brilliant go anywhere machines. As I see it the only two disadvantages are the weight and sometimes slower recovery speed against GMP and T2 and Fisher 75.
It's a bit like the old adage:   A Ferrari (Fast but limited space etc), Range Rover (Quick, comfortable go anywhere and roomy/versatile, and a Smart (town car that gets you from A to B cheaply)
I suppose you get what you fancy and can afford. I think I prefer a good 'All rounder'.........so I'll take the Range Rover!!!!!   LOL   

fisher a good machine wount run it down   just rather the explorer xs?

Hi all

Ive had the Fisher F75 a few months now.
and smiles per miles id say the Fisher F75 is has the edge.
I cant say I never found anything when i owned an Explorer but
as some of you know i never bonded with the machine and i think that made going out detecting a real chore.

Ive recently gone over my old hunting grounds and my finds rate has increased !
I think there 2 factors involved here.
I wouldn't say Ive got a fast natural swing speed but Id said it was way to fast for the Explorers Processor
and another thing the sites i tend to visit have century's of human habitation and any desireable items next to iron you can forget it with the Explorer.
To make the Explorer the Ultimate detector it would need a fast recovery speed and take it Gym to loose a couple of pounds in weight ;0) very much like my self  lol.

Theres lots of things i love about the fisher IE not having to change/recharge battery's all the time.
Ive used the Fisher for a few days before the Llantwit rally,2 full days of detecting and ive used it 3 times since 5 hours each time and ive still on the oringinal batterys and theyre Rechargeable so by rights wont last as long as quality Non Re-chargables
Only thing i dont like its the build quality there not as Tuff as an Explorer in my opinion 

Regards
Phil

Glad to hear you are getting on with your new machine Phil, I think the F75s will clean up at the WW Sunday, ;D ;D They've anounced on a American forum a new Fisher 75 TURBO to be released in a few weeks, looks interesting! ;D ;D

Hi Maxine

Really !

I,ll have to wait before i start nagging the 2nd Mr Jones for the Turbo,
I think if i mention it now id be in the divorce courts before i could blink lol

See you Early Sunday morning !

regards
Phil

Looks very interesting! Will be keeping an eye on this one, think i'll wait for a few UK field tests first though before I jump in and get one. It'll have to be a big improvement on the F75 before i think of trading in my T2! ;)

Hi trys :) There will be a T2 Turbo as well, Cant do links but have a look on the American Findmall Treasure Forum, New processers and boost mode and a smart camo paint job. ;D ;D  8)

I am usually about 5 years behind on new machines  ;D The only new one that I have bought is the T2, so the turbo's will be well tested before I get there  ::)

lol , now they're bringing out boy racer metal detectors.  Wonder if it will run on LPG

Cant wait to see one of them bad Boys! lol

I,ll check out the web site later and link it to the post.
Bofere i got this Fisher off Joan Allen I was after a used T2 but they got a bit of a cult following now and hard to find used.
i wish id seen Jebs F75 before i bought a new one  ;0(

Rob you coming to West Hanney ?  i hear theres a few seats left
I,ll know more Next club meeting after i get the bus list
all the best
Phil

Yes Phil, we got a re-run of which will be the best, the T2 turbo v F75 GTi. :)

check out the new Camo bad boys lol !

HI THERE IVE JUST GOT THE EXPLORER XS  AND I FIND IT A TAD DIFFICULT TO USE  AFTER HAVING THE GARRETT 250  BUT IM SURE ALL THOSE PEEPS  AND SQUEEKS  WILL MAKE PERFECT SENCE AFTER A WHILE ,,, I HAVE NEVER USED  OR EVEN SEEN THE FISHER F75  SO I AM UNABLE TO GIVE ANY FEEDBACK ON THAT MACHINE  BUT I FIND  EACH TO THEIR OWN  ,,, ITS  WHATEVER WORKS FOR YOU IN THE DETECTING GAME   ;D ;D ;D

Don't know if they will be available here, Joan Allen said they are for the American market, maybe they can get hold of some around Christmas time. Id love to give one a whirl. ;D ;D

The only problem with a camo detector is if you put it down, you won't be able to find it ?,seem to remember a boost modification being offered for the T2 by one of the detecting shops over here a couple of years ago,can't remember if it was Detecnicks or not,cost about £50 and was supposed to increase the depth,so it sounds like a few small adjustments is all it would need,wonder how much more that will add to the price.

It seems that both of the upgraded machines will be on sale here, I heard that someone from First Texas was over here testing the machines on our soil, so it's just a matter of waiting, I have put off buying a new machine for the moment until the new T2 arrives.

Steve.

why on earth do anyone want a camo detector for beats me  ??? a bit of hype again no dought

At least the T2 and F75 are all working.Oh!that was nasty!!

what you on about saxon man ??? ??? ???

Hi folks,
            this has been posted on the Finds Treasure forum by mike scott of First Texas.

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They will be available in the UK-Call Nigel or Marcus at Regton for details on pricing and availability.
The Ltd. Series has been offered to all our customers worldwide and many have placed pre orders.

I thought about the field hunting in the UK and the new BOOST immediately-it is awesome in areas with field stubble or taller grass and crops like I dealt with on some of my previous hunts over there.

I am finding good stuff in my beat up sites that have tall grass or heavy foliage that I wouldnt even consider hunting any time other than early spring or maybe late fall after a good snow beat the foliage down and still I would not expect being able to find much even under the best conditions..yet I am pulling good targets despite not even being able to get the coil close to the ground! Its making some of my seasonal sites very productive in times that they shouldnt be!

Anyone wanting a tamer F75 or T2 will not get it with the Ltd. They will be everything the T2 and F75 are----and more
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I think it will be the £50 chip for me when the evidence is there , of course as soon as they arrive they will be the best machine on the market ever, I will give it 18 months to see what the result is!

Thank you for posing that Mart !

In hindsight i wish id known about the Ltd before i bought the current F75.
Im in awe at the current model i havnt used a detectctor that can handle ferrous infected ground like the F75 its got a lot to do with its lightning fast recovery speed and target seperation.

all the best
phil

I can't see it being such a great improvement that i'd trade my poor old bog standard T2 in for  :D. A new paint job, and a better processor.....sounds like they'r following in the footsteps of other manufacturers ::). As hedgehog says..give it a few months. By then there will probably be a better machine on the market ;)

I was quite impressed that someone like Mike Scott not only showed an interest in us in the UK but actually came over to get a feel for our type of detecting.

My F75 is on sale now and should go early next week the proceedings will go towards an upgrade, only decision to make is to go for the F75 LTD or the T2 LTD??

There is quite a lot of testing going on at the moment with the new machines with regular postings on various forums (USA based) regarding what the testers are finding, the results will help me one way or another.

Find Treasures is one and Thom Dankowski's is another, maybe worth a peek for anyone interested.

Thanks, Take care. Mart.

Word is the "Camo" paint job is just a one off batch for the first holiday release and the standard colours will be used on main prodution.
To me this is irrelevant and of course has no affect on performance.

The real alleged breakthrough is the  added "boost" option which keeps the same (or better) recovery speed and performance but gives added depth.

With the boost not engaged the new machines can be used exactly like the existing models.

With boost engaged then much better depth is being reported in side by side comparisons, lets say you use de, pf, sen 70 or je sen 55 the new boost mode with even lower sensitivity will out perfrom /give better depth separation than any of the old settings with the same stability.
Boost can be carried over to the all metal modes as well.

The new processor (among other things) allows for a slower sweep speed which will better fit in with human nature, eg the tendency to slow down and carefully check anything that seems like a half decent signal, this on it's own is believed will contribute to a higher finds rate.

Being able to switch from not having boost engaged to having boost engaged in the field means that you can do live old machine (boost not engaged) v new machine (boost engaged) performance comparisons without the need to carry 2 detectors.
Anyway all interesting stuff.

Thanks, Take care. Mart.

If a new paint job increased preformance  ??? I,d be the first in line for a respray  ;D this all go back to the same old same change the wrapping but use the same parcel ;)  I,m not at present a f75 or t2  user but this post applies to all manufactures prducts a change of shape /colour scheme /decals ect does not gurantee increased preformance >:( we might get a slight power increase but is it usable power as all experienced detectorists will or should know by now we can only go as deep as the ground conditions will allow so don,nt listen to all the marketing hype and keep your pennies in your pockets truth is metal detecting technology is at this point more or less STAGNANT  ::) this is a fact  now wheres that spray can ;D

Think I posted on this forum somewhere re these "improvements". All I'll say is think Treasure Baron  + Deep Hunter module. Really depth when switched in and this was a more sophisticated set up than the F75/T2 mod. This put extra current through the coil and switched in a passive unit in the coil to give impressive depth.
Problem was there was hardly any British site where it could be switched in at the hight power range. On some sites you could get away with a low power setting but on to many sites it had to be shut off.

The Golden Mask in its most expensive version has a "boost" setting which doesn't need a special coil. This suffers the same as the Treasure Baron. If you have mild ground great, if you mainly work bad ground you may well not be able to justfy the extra cost. One thing is its going to be pricy as the pound continues its slide and as Mole points out you need usable power not something that beats the rest in air tests.

I feel that (and i might be wrong correct me if i am) that the F75 although being a good machine was better suited for the USA and reversing the original thoughts, the T2 now seems to be better for the UK.
I can't decide wether to go for a T2 LTD or an Etrac for my next upgrade??

I wouldn`t agree personally. I`ve used the F75 for two years and tried the T2 and the F75 i conclude ,is the better option. The T2 is a very good detector , but without a shadow of doubt the F75 is deeper and more sensitive . The two main requirements surely ? ;D
and actually i would say the F75 is better suited to the UK . It has lightning fast recovery speed for in the trash searching and has great depth ,especially on pasture with the right settings. All metal ,  seems to be the best mode on pasture. The only thing that gives it the Willy's is electrical stuff, like over head pylons or electrical power cables to houses, you know the two cable ones on a telegraph pole type. Go near them ,and your digital numbers will spin around like one armed bandit wheels. Other detectors by you, can cause you grief too.
 You will not be able to get the F75 LTD as J Allen have stated they are not importing them over due to the cost . Regton i believe are getting the T2 LTD in though. But I read on an American forum that the Boost on the F75 and the T2 made very little difference to the depth. Whether this is true or not or down to not being able to use one properly i don`t know .  I suppose the only way to find out for sure would be to obtain one yourself.

 If one IS prepared to learn how to use an F75 correctly ,then this detector is a fantastic detector.If you want to get it and not learn to use it properly because of impatience, then your wasting your money and time.It does require patience for optimum performance understanding.

EDIT!!
Apparently the "Boost" on the new F75 LTD HAS made a difference.
According to feedback , the Boost mode gives better signal enhancement ,and a significant depth increase.

no thanks guys i,ll stick to my faithfull explorer xs thanks all the same it finds what i want it to find so theres no point what so ever  ;D