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Title: its the soil density that kills you
Post by: galoshers on August 08, 2013, 05:02:58 PM
i had a good example last year when i noticed a field in my local park had been ploughed up for re seeding .
i nipped round there in the evening with the Deus and there were so many coins popping up all over the place i didnt need a trowel .
pockets were bulging with pre decimal.
soil was nice and fluffy and aerated .

i went back a few days later and the blighters had seeded it and rolled it hard .

no shoots coming thru yet so out with the Deus and visions of tons of coins again .

wrong ,i was hardly getting any signals at all ,even though i knew there were tons of coins still there as the park goes back to victorian times.

so there you have it . on a meadow last evening .no signals at all even though there should be tons of finds there .

its the soil density that blocks you ....


Title: Re: its the soil density that kills you
Post by: Dale on August 08, 2013, 05:13:24 PM
Rolled seeded and moist is the BEST !! Fluffy dusty and dry is the worst >:(


Title: Re: its the soil density that kills you
Post by: Chef Geoff on August 08, 2013, 05:31:57 PM
Nothing to do with soil density Galoshes, purely down to the moisture content of the soil at the moment.


Title: Re: its the soil density that kills you
Post by: rjm on August 08, 2013, 09:00:44 PM
Nothing to do with soil density Galoshes, purely down to the moisture content of the soil at the moment.

Yep, second that!

Nowt worse than dried out hard compact soil !  :'(


Title: Re: its the soil density that kills you
Post by: andyt on August 08, 2013, 09:01:34 PM
As said, rolled is best.
If your not hitting them, there not there or there now to deep.


Title: Re: its the soil density that kills you
Post by: nobby on August 08, 2013, 09:03:00 PM
What about the dreaded mineralization :o


Title: Re: its the soil density that kills you
Post by: galoshers on August 08, 2013, 10:27:12 PM
we will have to disagree on this then ,for i have seen with my own efforts that aerated soil allowed signals to penetrate and find coins easilly whereas rolled and seeded and hard allowed no signals to be found and no coins which i knew was there ,to be seen.
it was from 1 extreme to the other .

the ground damp conditions didnt change from the days in question


Title: Re: its the soil density that kills you
Post by: Chef Geoff on August 09, 2013, 12:16:17 AM
I'm afraid we will, these are electrical waves not a physical object trying to push though the soil.


Title: Re: its the soil density that kills you
Post by: celticspikey on August 09, 2013, 09:11:07 AM
i had a good example last year when i noticed a field in my local park had been ploughed up for re seeding .
i nipped round there in the evening with the Deus and there were so many coins popping up all over the place i didnt need a trowel .
pockets were bulging with pre decimal.
soil was nice and fluffy and aerated .

i went back a few days later and the blighters had seeded it and rolled it hard .

no shoots coming thru yet so out with the Deus and visions of tons of coins again .

wrong ,i was hardly getting any signals at all ,even though i knew there were tons of coins still there as the park goes back to victorian times.

so there you have it . on a meadow last evening .no signals at all even though there should be tons of finds there .

its the soil density that blocks you ....

I'm with Geoff on this one ;D


Title: Re: its the soil density that kills you
Post by: Dungbeetle on August 09, 2013, 09:24:28 AM
Yes got to agree with Geoff on this. I find that the best depths that I get are on undisturbed pasture. Freshly ploughed dry land is hard to get any depth on.


Title: Re: its the soil density that kills you
Post by: Val Beechey on August 09, 2013, 10:18:10 AM
Does the make of detector make a difference. I was told, and have read, that Minelabs don't like fresh plough.
On one of the few Rallies I managed to get to the Farmer started ploughing just before lunch and quite a few followed the tractor. Someone told me not to bother as I wouldn't find anything with my Safari. He was right but then that's not out of the ordinary for me. ::)
On the other hand I have found many nice little bits in fields the haven't seen a plough since Adam was a lad. Go figure. :-\

Val


Title: Re: its the soil density that kills you
Post by: Chef Geoff on August 09, 2013, 10:31:53 AM
Theoretically any auto ground-balance machine will suffer on freshly ploughed soil but the FBS system is probably the worst as it needs reliable feedback from the ground and as there is very little "ground" on fresh plough it struggles to understand what to do.


Title: Re: its the soil density that kills you
Post by: probono on August 09, 2013, 11:28:24 AM
Theoretically any auto ground-balance machine will suffer on freshly ploughed soil but the FBS system is probably the worst as it needs reliable feedback from the ground and as there is very little "ground" on fresh plough it struggles to understand what to do.

Thanks for the explanation Chef - I've been wondering about that for ages - I've got a SE pro and I really don't like detecting on freshly ploughed soil - much prefer it after a few weeks when it has compacted more again - so something like a T2 (after initial balancing) should be better on fresh ploughed soil then?


Title: Re: its the soil density that kills you
Post by: galoshers on August 09, 2013, 11:53:58 AM
strange , my buddy also likes freshly plouged as the hammered just pop out without much digging to do .
i mostly dig deep holes on thames where on a good day i have got  50 hammered and milled coins and bucket full of artifacts for a days work .so doing fields and pasture is for bad days when tides are poor.


Title: Re: its the soil density that kills you
Post by: Chef Geoff on August 09, 2013, 11:59:19 AM

i mostly dig deep holes on thames where on a good day i have got  50 hammered and milled coins and bucket full of artifacts for a days work .so doing fields and pasture is for bad days when tides are poor.


Yes don't you just love dreams like that  :D


Title: Re: its the soil density that kills you
Post by: galoshers on August 09, 2013, 04:44:35 PM
i dont have to dream, you ask any of the original mudlark crowd on the ukdectornet forum ,theres a few on there .
they will confirm the bulk  finds that could be made . east coast stew is an old mudlark hand on the metaldetectingforum .
if they didnt find a few dozen hammered in an afternoons dig that was a bad day .
a hoard of 374 Ed 1 pennies was the record for a days dig . a small hoard , a pal of mine found them .

firtling john on the XP forum is an thames  old hand that will confirm the bulk finds that could be made ,drop him a pm for confirmation.
he used to be the chairman of the club


Title: Re: its the soil density that kills you
Post by: Dale on August 09, 2013, 05:22:55 PM
That explains why we can't find hammereds, galoshers and his mate got them all :D


Title: Re: its the soil density that kills you
Post by: Val Beechey on August 09, 2013, 07:11:58 PM
I'm not greedy. I only want ONE. :-[

Val


Title: Re: its the soil density that kills you
Post by: Chef Geoff on August 09, 2013, 07:45:30 PM
Ah I believe your talking about the 70's and early 80's, yes I remember what used to come off there. You wrote it in the present tense so I thought you meant now ;)


Title: Re: its the soil density that kills you
Post by: galoshers on August 10, 2013, 09:41:11 AM
i can post some pics of my finds but not sure how to do it on here , my silver 17th century spur and 17th century wine taster were good finds. hallmarked
dont confuse me with  steve brooker who finds juck and rubbish-  thanks





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