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Title: Another question...
Post by: Dusty on August 01, 2013, 09:35:51 PM
Anyone know when Fisher was bought out by Bounty? And what was the last 'true' Fisher model to be produced.

Got my eye on a CZ-3D but as is always the case some guys have put doubt into me grey matter saying the older CZ's are much better.

Aaaaaahhhhh my head hurts  ::)


Title: Re: Another question...
Post by: Chef Geoff on August 01, 2013, 11:46:05 PM
Don't quote me on this but as far as I remember Fisher were taken over in 2008 ??? Which would make the last wholly developed machine the ID Edge, the the CZ-3d is still made so it bridges both companies.
The earlier cz3's were "reputedly" balanced better but that's a bit hard to believe given first Texas' reputation as an electronics co. People tend to laugh at Bounty Hunter as a make but you would be hard pressed to have found better electronics in the early 80's.
None of the older machines were "much better" some may have been not much worse and some may even have gone slightly deeper but with a lot of blips and squeaks but if machines were that good they would still be being made. ;)

 


Title: Re: Another question...
Post by: Dusty on August 02, 2013, 09:30:06 AM
Cheers again Geoff!

The CZ I'm looking at is supposed to be a big deal being a 1021 version. Apparently it was overhauled and setup by a guy who now works for NASA, Thomas D.

Call me suspicious but I wonder if it's just a way to extract more money from my slim wallet what with the NASA association..

Aaaggghhh, not fond of the ifs, buts and maybes. Might get a bloody minelab and be done with it....!


Title: Re: Another question...
Post by: Pon on August 02, 2013, 09:37:28 AM
I think youre right to be suspisious Dusty, Personally I'd be more inclined to buy it if it had been setup by the people who designed/made it in the first place :)

This is of course unless you have aspirations to detect the moon or other far away planets or galaxies ;D


Title: Re: Another question...
Post by: Chef Geoff on August 02, 2013, 10:27:04 AM
Well Thom Dankowski was the guy who helped develop the CZ range and he is the guy who knows them inside out, but of course Fisher machines are set up for the American market and their coins are of a higher conductivity, so it being one of the original machines doesn't hold much water for me here in the UK.
Also having an early number is only really of any interest to a collector of metal detectors.


Title: Re: Another question...
Post by: Dusty on August 02, 2013, 02:24:50 PM
So really speaking for the UK coins/ground its irrelevant whether its a 1021 or not. Mmmm, so the premium attached to the machine (450) isn't really worth it. Time to thrash out and better price or leave it be.

Pon, think I'll pass on detecting the moon just now lol.


Title: Re: Another question...
Post by: Chef Geoff on August 02, 2013, 02:34:45 PM
I'm sure you must have said why you want an older machine but whether the 3D is an early one or later it's still not going to hold a candle to a newer F series as far as usability is concerned.
If you want the older style Fishers then why not have a look at any of the newer Detech EDS, Golden Mast, Deeptech  machines as they are all based on them ;)


Title: Re: Another question...
Post by: Dusty on August 02, 2013, 04:10:03 PM
Mmmm, I did consider the GM4S but the guys at Rogers Relics pointed out that it probably wouldn't suit my detecting locations and that the GM is quite fond of bottle tops, ring pulls and iron. I just assumed the other would be the same. I don't mind something without a VDI but would ideally like 3 tones.

The other half is really on my case so I need something that I'll keep and be happy with.

Been looking at so many detectors and specs lately nothings making sense anymore. Need a day off!


Title: Re: Another question...
Post by: dances with badgers on August 02, 2013, 04:14:22 PM
my other half went mental when i bought an etrac for 760 quid until i started bringing the gold home lol.good luck with your choice


Title: Re: Another question...
Post by: Dusty on August 02, 2013, 04:36:22 PM
760 quid  :o  jesus she'd kill me to death if I just mentioned it!

Gotta toe the line, she's buying  ;D


Title: Re: Another question...
Post by: Iornmonkey5 on August 02, 2013, 05:03:47 PM
760 quid  :o  jesus she'd kill me to death if I just mentioned it!

Gotta toe the line, she's buying  ;D

mine would have had a right wobbly as well. Need lots of brownie point before I could spend 750 on what seem see's as a waste of time and just a boys day out every week.


im5  :o


Title: Re: Another question...
Post by: dances with badgers on August 02, 2013, 05:55:25 PM
it was a not just a weekend toy for me it was a tool to do a job,i was unemployed and relentlessly hunted the beaches until i was hitting gold .its payed for itself 6 times over maybe more lol,i will never sell my etrac its with me for life or until it dies lol


Title: Re: Another question...
Post by: nobby on August 02, 2013, 06:02:29 PM
I bet you'll go before it ;D


Title: Re: Another question...
Post by: Da Monkey on August 02, 2013, 07:49:10 PM
Go and get that dfx if you liked the xlt dusty. You can save about a 100 on the price of that cz as well...


Title: Re: Another question...
Post by: Dusty on August 03, 2013, 10:38:30 AM
There's a house clearance gaff I goto every month, been today and he has a DFX 300 with a smashed display. Probably an expensive repair. Got 6 more in tomorrow but doesn't know what  ???


Title: Re: Another question...
Post by: Da Monkey on August 03, 2013, 11:08:22 AM
Depends on how much it goes for could be a good deal... 300 is a dfx with a 12" coil so a bit better on depth than the 950. Joan Allen were advertising a "fair" condition 300 for 350 but its not on their website so I guess its sold now...  Worth phoning around. The older model is basically the same just a smaller coil.


Title: Re: Another question...
Post by: Dusty on August 03, 2013, 01:45:38 PM
Wanted 240... but like I said screen is totally   buggered. Waiting on Whites for a price. Lets hope it's not a second mortgage job  ::)


Title: Re: Another question...
Post by: Chef Geoff on August 03, 2013, 03:12:21 PM
Kev over at Staffs has got a Whites 6000XL Pro for 265, which is easily on a par with a DFX
http://staffsmetaldetectorsonlineshop.co.uk/whites-6000--xl-pro-698-p.asp (http://staffsmetaldetectorsonlineshop.co.uk/whites-6000--xl-pro-698-p.asp)

This is a review Gary did on them
http://www.garysdetecting.co.uk/6000pro.htm (http://www.garysdetecting.co.uk/6000pro.htm)

And he's got an Fisher 1270 for the same price


Title: Re: Another question...
Post by: Da Monkey on August 03, 2013, 04:59:52 PM
That looks like a good deal Geoff. Also 2 DFXs there for 345 ea. And a Rutus have seen Taffs rutus and turned it on, nice and light, not really tried though. Could be a good machine seemed to get some good reviews. Advantage of whites is additional coils, dont know of.any aftermarket for the rutus. Well Dusty there's some options mate ;)


Title: Re: Another question...
Post by: Dusty on August 03, 2013, 05:05:32 PM
I really shouldn't judge a book by its cover. Who'd have thought this would match a DFX... crazy!

DM, think that Rutus he's selling is Polish menu only, probably why it's on the cheap. Gonna have a look at that Whites.

Thanks chaps


Title: Re: Another question...
Post by: Da Monkey on August 04, 2013, 04:25:47 PM
Did you miss this bargain ?

http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=171088575844&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:BIDN&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2765 (http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=171088575844&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:BIDN&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2765)


Title: Re: Another question...
Post by: Dusty on August 04, 2013, 09:45:44 PM
Oh boll*cks! How the hell did I miss that.. >:(


Title: Re: Another question...
Post by: Dusty on August 05, 2013, 07:38:43 PM
Gents what's your thoughts on the Minelab Musketeer. One on ebay not sure what a fair price is for one?

Sorry for bending ears fella's.


Title: Re: Another question...
Post by: Chef Geoff on August 05, 2013, 07:59:55 PM
A capable machine, in the same league as the others you've been looking at but none are going to be as good as the SE you had :-\


Title: Re: Another question...
Post by: Dusty on August 05, 2013, 08:23:12 PM
Yeah dropped a big one getting shot of the SE  :-\

What would you says a fair price Geoff?


Title: Re: Another question...
Post by: Chef Geoff on August 05, 2013, 10:07:38 PM
Not to sure on the musketeer, but I doubt there is much difference between it and an Explorer XS, about 350 ???


Title: Re: Another question...
Post by: alun on August 06, 2013, 10:03:19 AM
Just had my DFX back from whites, where they fitted a new screen and stem for 80. May sound steep, but the DFX is as good as new now.
Dont envy you buddy, so many good units out there, e-tracs are a sound unit, but for me at the moment the 300 is part of the family  ;D
Looked at a VX3 but 925 give me a cold sweat, but the missus told me to get it  :o I think she loves me!!! or is it the peace and quiet when i am out ? ::)


Title: Re: Another question...
Post by: Dusty on August 09, 2013, 08:45:26 PM
Went with my gut and settled for a CZ-3D. 320 and from the discription has been well looked after.... here's hoping.

Thanks for all the advice on this thread gents.


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