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Just thought i would post my thoughts on the ultimate coil on my garrett euroace it seems this has been a little over hyped i have not noticed extra depth at all over the stock coil i have tested it in the field on several occasions  and although its not a bad coil i dont think i would of bought one if id have had a chance of testing it first.im going to keep it on for a little longer in case the fields  were over minerlised :-\ but my advise to people thinking it will make a massive difference save your pennys people and dont believe the hype  :)

well iv had 1 on my explorer for over 12 months now and it is superb , i had a sef 12/10 before it and the ultimate IS MUCH BETTER , more stable over minerals , deeper and ultra sensitive to tiny things oh and its lighter .

40+ romans , 2 gold rings , gold sovereign , 12 hammered etc etc in 2012 , im happy  ;) ;) ;)

on the etrac the 13'' ultimate is awsome ask troutmasterfunk if you dont take my word for it :).i have had some nice rings with it too

Thankfully many who have had them for their garrets have noticed a difference.
When you say you haven't noticed a depth advantage, how do you know their is something deeper to be found? There are so many factors that can effect coil performance, mineralisation, iron contamination, swing speed and sensitivity all play their part.
I'm not sure if you read my thread on why larger sized coils can't detect certain items at any depth than a 6" coil
http://www.detectingwales.com/index.php?topic=17543.0 (http://www.detectingwales.com/index.php?topic=17543.0)
Keep at it Steve it will pay off ;)

I agree with you there Steve, I bought one not new second hand for my tejon I tried it a few times on my usual land what im familiar with and it did not perform as well as my Tesoro 10 by 12 wide scan it was not as stable and really struggled on small lead even pistol balls near the surface I was a little shocked really as I knew my other coil would of picked them up alot better.

I did ask a question about the ultimate coil compared to my 10 by 12  and got a reply,  its a no brainer the ultimate coil is better, after trying it I felt like a no brainer buying it :'(

Mike I think your finds is a little to do with your machine also, I sure your standard coil would of found what you found may be more ::)
but each to their own

butter tub of romans, hammereds, silvers, ect ect  ;) ;) ;)  

As you say Dale machines can play a part also. The benefits shown by using the Ultimate on one machine may not be equal to those obtained on another make/model, strangely however the Ace is the machine that gains the most advantage, in air at least.
Mike uses the same machine as myself and I can assure you that the standard coil doesn't even come close to being as sensitive or as good at the "dodgy" signals as the Ultimate.

works well on the explorer 11.............. 8)

had a day out with neil a while ago on a field i new would produce roman coins as i had a few there previously , neil was using an explorer 11 or se with a 12/10 sef coil , me with my xs and ultimate , had a deep grunt of a signal and called to neil that this is a roman here , he came over tried his machine over it and had great trouble locating the signal were as i had it clear as a bell , he said if i didnt know it was there i would have missed it , anyway up came a nice constantine bronze .

on the day i had 7 neil 4 plus lots of other bits and bobs to add to our butter tubs  ;) ;)

My butter tub is is already over filled so id sling your bits and bobs ;) ;) Joke

Joking aside I would not put my standard 9 by 8 coil back on my machine as the large DD coils are great but the ultimate coil was not for my machine

This is not supposed to be an ULTIMATE war just an opinion  :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

..................it really does do what it says on the tin  :D :D :D

Butter tub mike not tin :D

it does mike if your coins happen to be sat on the coil  :) :) :) :) :)

I have the 13" ultimate coil on my Teknetics Omega 8000 detector.

I haven't used it a great deal, but what I can say is that it is more sensitive than the standard DD coil. I know this as I have to turn down sensitivity when I use the Ultimate coil compared to the settings I use on the DD.

It gives bigger coverage and is so light.

If you have been using a certain coil for a while it can take a while to get used to using another size and type.

But, at the end if the day, form your own opinion and if you aren't convinced it is better....flog it!

Must say I have been impressed with what I have seen and the weight of the ultimate when I've played with them on rallies, Geoff would know better on this point, but I think the ace is 7.2kHz and the euroace 8.25kHz so maybe an ace 250 coil will be slightly out of tune on a higher frequency euroace. One company I have seen is selling one for each model.

Hi steve just a thought why dont you do a test bed with the 2 coils using different coins at different depths and record your results, that would be interesting  ;)

A freind of mine has a Euroace 350 and said the stock coil is better than his new ulitimate coild and asked me if I wanted to buy if from him for peanuts ( I didn't buy it as I told him he will get more on eBay and I didn't want to rip him off and sell it on). I think you will find it hard to beat the stock coil on the Garretts by a huge amount as it seems a very good coil. The Garrett machines are not your minelabs etc but a good detector all the same out of the box.

My Ultimate has increased my finds 10 fold would not use anything else  and bonus it being really light. 

I bought one for my whites Dfx.  I have to say it improved the depth a lot.  I always test my machine as I'm walking on my shovel.  About 8 inches with the whites dd coil and it was about 10 with the ultimate.   This is rough guide obviously, but I am impressed with it - that was before I bought the Deus lol !!   Now saving up for their bigger coil.

Take care

H
 

What machine are you using?

im using the euroace it is a good coil but ultimate is a it of a bold statement as it isnt i have now tested it on my test bed and the stock coil is just as good if not better dale was also unimpressed on his dejon.i just wanted to make people aware its not gonna blow you away with its performance although it has with some people so thats great for them.just thought i would share my thoughts on it

One thing is for sure Steve, if it isn't there in the first place you aint goin to find it no matter what you use.

Val

very true val  :)

my ultimate coil got me a bronze age axe today weehee ;)

'Ere - thats enuff of u wandering inland...  get back where u belong on the beach !    ;) ;D

Damn beachcombers, 'comin over here nicking our axes and women...   ;D ;D

lol too old to nick the women lol

Hi Steve

As you well know i had the euro ace and not long after getting it i Put the 15'' SEF coil on which you purchased from me  ;) the reason i got that was to cover more ground up and down them bloody orchards, that coil as you know after a while gets heavy, i had no faults with it and was defo digging deep (if the goodies were there) also it was boosting the descrim of the machine and producing some smaller items pretty deep.  The ultimate for me was my next choice after feeling the weight of it!! depth etc didn't come into it for me, however after using it on the euro ace for a few months i can definatley say it was going as deep as any other decent coil 14''max, and trust me if its any deeper it can stay there!!.

But my final point is with the ultimate you should be finding that its nice and light to swing all day, you should be finding smaller non ferrous finds than before, hammereds should be coming in on a better signal and not as low on the guage, and romans not as sketchy as on a stock coil and definatley not digging as much iron, which in my eyes was well worth the money hence why i use one on the explorer and cant fault it, if its there ill find it!!

Regards
Nick

well the general opinion of the ultimate coil is BUY ONE  :) :)

i second that mikee  :)

Coming soon ultimate X2 TWICE as deep, more stable, more sensitive to cut half's quarters, and those tiny celtic gold, what are you missing, buy one now before they are sold out!!!!! (always plenty for sale on ebay tho ???good product)

looking back at threads the sef coil was the dogs B******s in peoples eyes, is it rubbish now?

Reminds me of Gillette shavers, a closer shave, even closer than ever before, how close can you get before you need skin graft. ;) ;) ;) 

 

You obviously haven't quite grasped VLF technology if you believe that a coil can go twice as deep ::)
No the SEF range is still a great range as is the coiltek WOT coil but any slight advancement in refining the returning signal is of benefit.
I notice you say that on the Tejon you thought the 12x10 widescan was the better coil and having used one I would "probably" agree if you were power balancing the machine as the Ultimate would just drive it crazy.

The customers may believe it will go twice as deep, its advertising to sell a product, that's just how it is.

The 10x12 wide scan works very well on the Tejon iv never had problems with the set up
Tesoro coil Tesoro machine makes sence.

People think the Tesoro machines are rubbish that's fine, I dont like the sound of minelabs but there great machines, at the end of the day its just what works for you.

End of topic for me I think ;) ;) ;)

Anyone who thinks Tesoros are rubbish hasn't used one, basic yes but very reliable and they don't call the Tejon the "Animal" for nothing.

Agree Chef Geoff :)

your finding great stuff with that tesoro mate  :) i wish i never put my thoughts on the ultimate coil down now i just wanted to make people aware ultimate it aint but stock coils for me from now on oh apart from the sef  ;)

The Ace isn't the ace of detectors, the Deus is no god and my Explorer doesn't go exploring...strange things names :D :D :D

And my machine is not a badger lol :D

Ah Chef,  Bates is a Master though  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

I know that Nick, in fact my pet name for you has the same meaning ;D

im happy with mine and wont ne upgrading any time soon

Ah the will be the name that you Blessed me with when i found them few coins!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Arrr young Mstr Bates that be he arr

 ;D ;D ;D

at the end of the  day is was all about seamen stains  8)

He was in the Navy, wasn't he ?  ;D

don't forget Roger the cabin boy.......... ;D

 ;D ;D ;D