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I recently posted on getting permission to detect and thanks to those who replied Well here we go
From the start we all want to find historical  items so step one
Learn when crops are havested and     [planted
next buy ordnance survey map of the area that you are  interested in  and learn how to read those maps
study them look for roman roads ...old buildings such as manor farm grange farm ect and look for well field millfields
halls churches especially near small villages
  take a note of the footpaths  especially if you have a few joininig in a field
look on your map for the farms near your chosen site
find the telephone number either on yel.com under farmers in <<SAY>>>>chester find your telephone number for your chosen farnm listed or a close farm if not listed HO HARM ASKING ANOTHER FARMER CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHO LIVES AT  SO AND SO FARM......>>>now ring your farmer to seek permission to detect

Ring the farm after 8---30 at night  introduce yourself


IE  Hello mr jones I am  Rob Jones  from Chester Iam phoning to ask you if  you can kindly permit 3 or 4 fully insured metal detectorists permission to metat detect on your farmland to search fro any lost coins or artifacts
we go on the fields do NO damage and if we get a good signal dig a small divet extract the find and stamp down the grass  on stubble fields fill in all holes and close all gates in fact leave the land as found we will let you know if we see any animals in distress  and will try to locate any lost machinery we will also give you a bottle of wine or a small payment for letting us go  IN MY CASE I DO AND TELL THE  FARMER Iraise money for hope house childrens hospice in shropshire we could donate to it and send or give you a receipt  last year Iraised 350 pounds
Mr farmer might say what if you find anything of value
Reply    if we find anything of gold silver or bronze or any item over three hundred years old we would like it to be reported with your permission to the local museumn or flo
EXPLAIN FLO TO THE FARMER   also if it comes under the trasure trove rules you will get half the value of the find

if you have ever had anything paid to you by treasure trove l mention I found a gold torc on Mr smiths farmn  near   byand he was     paid  150 pounds for it  I  WISH... Offer the farmer a bottle of wine if he will let you go or a small payment

                        the farmer may by now be weighing things up  he might already of =said no

If he says yes always be polite thank him and ask himand ask when you can go
if you get permission always show the farmer some of the finds thank him always be polite  now if you get that farm you can approach his neibour saying last week myself and two others were metal detecting on name the farmer
ask the new one if you can have permission go through the whole rig my role again if nessesery
GOOD LUCK  and please inform me if it works for you

I WOULD LIKE TO ADD
Do  not go on sheduled sites   also  getting permission on  estates takes a different approach

if you want to know i will tell you how

sorry but thats way to much faffing about,,,yes you ask permission,you dont have to learn what crops are planted and when {most tecies choose a piece of land beacuse its somewhere new and you never know what you may find???} yes be polite but dont mention money {unless the farmer brings up the conversation},{the farm that you did find something nice on might not want you telling his neighbours about how much he got etc},,yes of course look at the topography of the farm briefly  {before permission as it a great way to get intrest {ive noticed a cropmark,feature etc on your land etc} you can then have a more in depth look at whats about if he/she says yes                                                                                                                                                                       dont go there from day 1 hoping to get permission with any wine etc {build up a freindship ,not a bribe}                        i know we all have our techniques for obtaining land but farmers aint stupid ,,give em some credit ,,they know what your tectin for and if ya offer em a £1.00 or £100 they,lll say yay or nay depending on there nature.                                                                                                                                    

Yes I have to say that I'm with Carling on this one.

Also try and secure that all important written 50/50 agreement. You can then detect with peace of mind and do not need to worry should you find Treasure. Once you have got the nod, it is then worthwhile asking if a friend or partner can accompany you. By all means give them a bottle of wine but do so at Xmas

I believe that I have got permission on some 'no chance' farms through a bit of reverse physcology. I will intoduce myself and explain (if applicable) that I detect on their neighbours farms. I will then say something like....."I know the answer will probably be no, but could I detect on your farm" I have approached a few difficult ones like this, and believe I have been told yes because the farmers didn't want to be considered killjoys. How many of us all ready practice reverse physchology on our partners? Try it.

Well in 36 years I've never once mentioned a contract and never would, if there is no contract but permission has been granted then the law will split finds 50-50 with or without a contract,
I find with my farmers that if you start making things official they don't like it.
But I do agree that if you get one farm and then radiate out and use the last as a reference as in " hello, I got your name from "Jo Bloggs" I do some detecting on his land and he said you would be the man to talk to" etc etc.

Well im siding with glynkid,it`s my hobby and im willing to pay for the privalage,ppl don`t do rally`s for free,
i dont expect them to, and organisers dont either,if i can afford to pay someone to pursue my hobby i will ,if i think
it`s worth it. 8)

All good comments, and all valid. But my way is to ask politely and respect the landowner. Many ways to work out their mannerisms but apart from having the dreaded "Night Hawkers" being through their land, i have yet to fail to gain permission, and help the farmer with repairs to his machinery if needed. (Oops thats bribery, i am a mechanical engineer) ah well it works

i think if he likes your face or otherwise may make his mind up ,if you have a smart dress and look respectable he will allow you after selling yourself as thats whats involved .it has to be said theres some dodgy herberts in this hobby with tatts and scruffy looking characters that you wouldnt want hanging around ,they could appear to be threatening to a humble farm owner .

I'm taking note of the do' s and donts of gaining permission, I wouldn't mind giving a gift ( bottle or something)  at Xmas or every now and again but farmer permitting I would not like to pay every time to go onto the field, it's like fishing pop down the fishing shop spend 75 pence on a small bag of maggots then go to the canal for a happy days free fishing, point being you can make a hobby as cheap or as dear as you want it.

i find farmers will either say yes or no immediately , so all the waffling on goes right out the window if its a no , farmers are working men / women and a handshake is a done deal for such people , mentioning the farm next door or , im a friend of mr jones and he gave me your number works , if you come with a recomendation from the farmers mate its worth its weight in gold , i never phone just go for it , farmers like to meet and see what you look like , imagine getting permission over the phone , turning up to the farm with multiple face earrings and tatoos all over you , the farmer would get his gun and probably set the dogs loose  :D :D :D

Can someone give some info please had new permission this morning then found out he's only renting the land off a local farmer . should I carry on detecting or visit the land owner  don't know what to do i could  lose permission iv been wanting this farm for ages . Good news he does have his own farm I can use in 1 hour drive away so happy days.

go for it , the tenant has given you permission to detect thats good enough for me , if you approach the owner he might have a different view on things , its unlikely you will ever meet the owner on the fields as he is not farming it and probably lives in a huge villa in spain anyway  :D :D :D

Not sure thats the right advice,it could all go tits up for the tennant farmer,should the land owner find out.

im sure the tenant has a long term contract with the owner and wont get thrown out , if in doubt as the tenant what the owners views are on detecting on his land

ive tected on farms before where the farmer has said ive got some more land that i rent ,,let me have a word with the farmer before i can tell you if you can go on there or not {actually had a few like that come to think of it}and to be honest its the best way ,, the farmer that rents his land out may be very anti tectin and it may lead to you losing your original permission,,,,,,,,as for this getting permission business its all the same as mike points out some farmers will say yay and some will say nay regardless of what you look like or what you take,,,,but remember be polite,entering into contracts and paying to detect is not a good idea,and when youve got the land your after treat it as you would your own with respect.

"paying to detect is not a good idea"

It`s not ideal,but it sure beats sitting at home

i have had permission for land but cant stop goin to the beach lol.easier to dig lol

Badger you could be right with that one
I visited the beach yesterday with a friend that was visiting owing to the fields being a bit wet at the moment
We had a good two hours on a local beach
I was happy with the results
My friend first time detecting found a lizzy penny 1967
He was over the moon
You should have seen the smile on his face
My friend is Welsh born in port talport
He has reported that. He will be buying a detector stating that he has some World War Two bunkers near to where he is living
I my self on the visit to the beach was surprised to find more in the time on the beach than I have on the fields for a while
Don't get me wrong I love pasture but as it has been quite wet at the moment it was a good experience
Maybe I might find a bit of gold in the future

You can't do better than read carefully what David (Glynkid) wrote. iIs full of useful tips. He rings me  twice a week to go detecting with him on the latest farms he's secured permission for. Whether you agree with what he wrote or not, it certainly works.

I had permission to detect on some rented land  from the renting farmer - however the land owner decided he didn't want anyone on his land, so that finished. It's sad as it was good land.

I said that I try and secure written agreement. If the farmer's don't wish to do so then I do not push it. Are you talking law as in the Treasure Act or in general? Outside of the Treasure Act anything you find while detecting legally belongs to the landowner and he is quite within his rights to ask for anything that you should so find on his land. Most landowner's play fair and will usually honour any verbal agreements regarding finds. However, that is not to say that a farmer will not renage on on any agreement if you found something of high value. I am sure it will have happened to someone somewhere. So no, it doesn't hurt to get a written agreement if you can. It is even stated in the Treasure Act "To avoid subsequent disputes it is advisable to get permission in writing".

Yes the Treasure rewards will be paid out 50/50 (unless stated otherwise). In the event of a Treasure item being disclaimed, the Treasure Registrar before returnng the find will write to the landowner to see if he wishes to pursue a claim to the find, through his common law rights as the owner of the site.  I have been lucky to have found a number of Treasure items. Some I have written agrements, and some not. I have never had a problem but that is not to say someone else won't. If you have a written agreement you are always covered.

ive also found serveral treasure items in the past,,the last 1 i found was 18 months ago {i recorded it and gave the farmers details}18 months have now passed ,as the farmer had any correspondence from flo/bm?,,,,has he buggery the item has been returned to myself,and passed on to the farmer ,could i have just found it and sold it {yes i could ,but i havent ,,if the powers that be aint going to do what it says on the tin then these contracts aint worth the paper they're written on,,,,,if i ever find another treasure item its been given to the rightfull owner {the farmer}as we all know most of these treasure items are worth less than a good hammy.

the remedy is fooolproof if you take a blond Pamela Anderson lookalike with big bazookas ,that will keep him occupied and he will say yes for sure ,never been known to fail as he will have a big smile on his face ;D

Wow it worked man boobs out covered with plenty of lip balm (cold weather protection ) scored another local farm.

After I have gained permission I will meet with the landowner to discuss 'terms and conditions'. I usually get a verbal 50/50 agreement but will ask them if they would prefer a written agreement. This option is never forced upon them. However, I would say about 80% have taken up the option of a written agreement. Maybe the high take up is because they are business people. I am no legal expert but I am of the understanding that if a dispute ended up in the courts a contract would 'be worth the paper it was written on.'

I also explain to the landowners the legal requirement for reporting Treasure etc, and that it can take up to 3 years to reach a conclusion (definitely in Dorset). They have a full understanding and know what to expect from the outset. The Treasure process can be frustrating and I have had my fair share of it. In a couple of cases I have had to request copies of all correspondence because I have not received a single letter. However, a disclaimed item of Treasure will not be released to the finder without a letter having been sent to the farmer requesting permission to do so. They will only release it without the landowner's permission, after a final letter has been sent to them. This letter usually says that if they do not object or respond within 28 days they will return the find to the finder.

I am not sure if I have read correctly? Are you suggesting that you will give future Treasure finds to the landowner without putting them through the Treasure process? If so, it may be advisable to explain to the farmer the implications first, in case he isn't aware of the law pertaining to the Treasure Act.

i've never heard so much nonsence in my life about getting permission.  just knock the farmers door and ask him if you can metal detect on his land he'll either say yes or no

Being a woman, you probably find it's easier!  ;D ;D ;D

If only :-*