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Title: Coin of Proculus found in Yorkshire
Post by: The Doc on November 13, 2012, 09:52:51 PM
http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showrecords.php?product=39525&cat=49 (http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showrecords.php?product=39525&cat=49)

No, I'd never heard of him either.

This coin, found last week in Yorkshire, is only the second coin of the usurper Proculus known to exist.

Apparently it is on its way to a major auction house and is likely to have a very hefty reserve.


Title: Re: Coin of Proculus found in Yorkshire
Post by: Chef Geoff on November 13, 2012, 10:01:53 PM
I was on the phone the other day to the brother of the guy who found it and he has been told by the auction house that they wouldn't be surprised if it got up around £100,000 :o


Title: Re: Coin of Proculus found in Yorkshire
Post by: Napoleon on November 13, 2012, 10:25:51 PM
 :o i am going to id all my roman coins.


Title: Re: Coin of Proculus found in Yorkshire
Post by: the-BANGOR-citizan on November 14, 2012, 11:02:18 AM
Well that is just one cracker of a coin. I would probably have stuck it on the mantlepiece and forgot about it.  ;D


Title: Re: Coin of Proculus found in Yorkshire
Post by: Kev on March 27, 2013, 02:22:40 PM
Chef or anyone do you know what the Proculus coin was worth  after........ Cheers ;)

(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n523/casa-dos/image-19.jpg)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2233959/Debate-Roman-artefact-coin-Proculus-field-metal-detecting-friends.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2233959/Debate-Roman-artefact-coin-Proculus-field-metal-detecting-friends.html)


Title: Re: Coin of Proculus found in Yorkshire
Post by: Neil on March 27, 2013, 02:35:17 PM
The auction is scheduled for 10th April 2013 Kev. Current Estimate is £50,000 - £70,000! I personally think it will rocket through this figure, due to all the attention it has attracted, and the fact that there are some serious American collectors reportedly vying for ownership of this coin. See below:

http://www.dnw.co.uk/coins/auctions/rostrumauctions/auctioncatalogue/lotdetail.lasso?auction=Ancient+Coins+10+Apr+13&id=9&lot=694 (http://www.dnw.co.uk/coins/auctions/rostrumauctions/auctioncatalogue/lotdetail.lasso?auction=Ancient+Coins+10+Apr+13&id=9&lot=694)

Cheers
Neil


Title: Re: Coin of Proculus found in Yorkshire
Post by: Kev on March 27, 2013, 02:36:06 PM
Cheers for the info Neil  ;)


Title: Re: Coin of Proculus found in Yorkshire
Post by: probono on March 27, 2013, 02:50:03 PM
I personally have a few issues with this coin - it's obviously only my opinion, but we all have them :)

On the positive side of things, it was found in the ground, and - if we believe the Munich example to be at least 100 years old, then this one too would be 100 years old+

It also looks quite barbarous, which would fit in with a 'locally' made coin, although given that it is a die match to the one in Berlin, it was lucky to travel that far without seeing any circulation wear.

Also, the module size is wrong - even Domitianus (of whom there are only two known coins, one found in a hoard in Oxfordshire) had a coin of the correct module (flan size and shape) for his time - and matching the metal of those coins. It's more like a 'local' issue rather than an 'official' issue - which of course could be explained by being made by a non regular mint.

Also - and to me this is a bit more puzzling - the obverse legend misses out the 'PF' bit of the emperor's titles - in general most of the coins of the peroid (especially the Western ones) have IMP C [emperor] P F AVG - this one doesn't - now, I know that there are plenty of coins of Aurelian / Probus that have variants on these, but all the ephemeral emperors seem to follow that pattern - and indeed usually the first coins of any emperor give more of their name than later issues.

As was stated in the Daily Mail article, people in the renaissance (and during the grand tour) wanted coins of people in their collections and some were 'made' to fill them (e.g Paduans) - indeed quite a few people think the large Carausian brass medals were also made for this market.

I could be wrong, but I would have been more convinced if it had been found in a hoard...

It'll be interesting to see what it does finally sell for - not that I'll be bidding (couldn't afford it anyway!)



Title: Re: Coin of Proculus found in Yorkshire
Post by: Tafflaff (Rob) on March 27, 2013, 03:09:29 PM
Yes .. what Probono said  :)


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