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Well Bob finally gets to do the test on a fragment of gold with the Blisstool. I must say I was really impressed as it gave a positive signal in air and when buried still came through as a digable target.
Bob now moves up a notch to the league of the real machines, and Shaun still keeps his £10 bet, as he withdrew the offer when thing became a little heated. So on a ranking of 1-10, i'll give it an 8, where most Minelabs were a 3. 


Testing the Blisstool (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1LleETf_xU#ws)

Very Impressed. So how many machines can actually find it when buried Steve?

The machines at the top of the list are the T2, F75, Blisstool, Goldbug,Goldmax Power. Then there is a middle list XP Deus, G2, then the lower list Etrac, Ctx3030, Garrett Ace and Whites MXT.
Although I found my hoard with a White's DFX, when tested against other machines it can't get anywhere near the depth so it joins the Minelabs.

Cheers Steve, I didn't realise that the GMP could find it and amazed that the G2 wasn't as good as the Bug. My Nautilus found it easy enough, but how many have got one of those and the EDS gave a good signal on the surface but lost it instantly when under the soil, I have to say though that I thought my Explorer was broken lol.
It would be really interesting to actually find out why machines can't see it, as we said the shape has got to be the key but why?

The worst machine of the lot was the C-SCOPE CS 4 PI, I cound'nt get a reading when touching the coil with the gold  :o

Geoff stick this post on the MLO site......it would be worth a chuckle. ;D

I think apoplexy come to mind..  :D

LOL...Trouble maker! ;D
It's been on there before but you get the usual He-Man response of "he obviously doesn't know how to set up his machine" or "I could find it" lol.
I felt the same way until I came face to face with the damn thing, but nope!not even a squeak...well a squeak but not a digable one.
I wonder if the signal it gives off is imitating a piece of coke?
The machines that are finding it are quite high on the "coke offenders" list.

That would just cause the M.L.O's to jump off Beachy Head like lemmins, at least the Ctx 3030 will work underwater, so not all bad  ;D

On note.
While at the Weekend Wanderers dig I heard a guy with a raised voice"I can't believe it!"he said.
His mate shouted me over and said run your machine over this?So I did,I turned my volume up on my Deus for all to hear.a crisp two way signal came through.
The guy which had the raised voice tried his machine again over the signal - not even a beep.It was just nulling out.
The signal was a Georgian Halfpenny at around 8" deep.
The machine he using was a Minelab Etrac.
It was dead funny when this guy walked away,he lobbed his shovel in the air. ;D
Was his Minelab faulty,who knows?But I know one thing I will not be having another.  

The trouble is so many people go for maximum sensitivity but if you have ANY disc or ironmask on the minelabs and there is iron below the target you've had it. You have to either run wide open and hope the low tone comes through all the shreaking or you have to suck it up and turn the sensitivity right down when there is a lot of iron about.

I agree with all you've said there mate.

I hope this video will put to bed once and for all the naysayers or should I call them mathew hopkins  :( because of the witchunt that as followed the release of the blisstool v3   ::) I myself own one which slots in well with my explorer 2 and goldmaxx mk1 it,s quite simply a case of horses for courses ;) on the subject of minelabs I found a tiny lizzie portcullis halfpenny last weekend with my explorer 2 :o so I would,nt write off the minelabs either ;) ;)

Well said Dai,the majority of machines have their "nich". If the land I detect wasn't so infested with iron pan I might even have taken a punt on the Bliss.
I don't think any one with common sense can write off XP or Minelab and if they do, I've got over 300 hammies that says different lol

pah ,hes just trying to sell more machines ,who cares? its not as if the fields are full of gold fragments
im happy finding silver because theres a damn lot more of it in the ground

I don't sell 'em. Never have either. And it makes no difference to me if someone buys one or not. I'm not on
any commission, either!

I just use it because of its performance. I presume that's why Mike and Dai use one.

its just too damn coincidental that the guy that sells them is based in wales IMO

Guys play nicely now. This is an interesting thread, keep it civil and get back on topic.

Cheers

Neil

in response to the bob the blissman thread which was locked down, you can keep the tiny bits of gold cos im havin the rest weehee me and my minelabs lol so nah nu nah nu nuh.gold yum yum oooooooh haaa haaa ha its all mine i telll you ooooh haa haaa haa its all mine  ;D
 mines better than yours nah nu nah nu nuh lol,listen to yourselves for a minute.lot of peeps sell things on here so what lol. :)
 mountains from molehills yet again

forgot to say MINES BIGGER THAN YOURS LAAA LAAA LA LAAA LAAAA  ;D

the blisstool also finds other interesting stuff too check out steve's winchcombe rally video lol :o
 perverts everywhere will be rushing out to buy one soon,i know i am lol ::)

 ;D ;D ;D

oooooh i thought I unlocked it ;D.........there you go unlocked....try not to let it decend into chaos again :-\

ok im interested in the recovery speed ,i was going to buy one before i got my ETRAC ,but they had a waiting list of 6 weeks !!
i tell you one thing about that machine ,it isnt for novices whatsoever!! manual grounbalancing will put a lot of users off for a start

Manual GB is hardly a difficulty, it's not too many years ago and it was standard on 99% of machines. Performance will always be improved with manual GB. In fact Minelab have just brought the feature back on their CTX.

a oedd yn edau deallus lol

strange that being an all metal pulse induction machine ,wonder whats up with that?

Not if, as I posted, this piece of gold is mimicking Coke in some way ???

Geoff

The Deus like an GMP loves coke

The gold in question comes in just above the aluminium range and a is a low conductive target,its the size and weight of the gold which is confusing most detectors tried on it.

The Deus has no trouble getting this gold on the surface

At 3 inches  in the ground in clearly struggles

Does this mean the Deus or any of the other detectors that have failed the test are rubbish  ???  

Of course not

  

Well hang on,

My Etrac got it on the surface and struggled (but got it) down at a 3-4 inch clodge depth. That would put it in the same category as the Deus I guess for a piece of gold at that shape and size and of the same alloy.

The E-trac struggled when on the gold was on the surface

But got it at 3-4 inch in the ground  ???

I thought the E-trac like most Minelabs failed the test

Pass or fail the E-trac and the Deus are both good machines in the right hands,some people own both and for good reasons

interesting , i always thought coke as high end signal.. ie silver hammered and foil etc

On surface it got it.  3-4 inches down it struggled.

It does sound like that, but as you should know if you have the Etrac, it's not. Coke is a magnetised mineral and many Pi machines won't see them especially bit's as small as that piece of gold.

i think the main problem in most machines is the fact that they are setup as coinshooters ,minelab e-trac's depth indicator reads depth based on coin sized objects,i did find a small gold tooth cap a couple of inches deep once though.

different machines,different capabilities as long as your happy with the one you got swing on if not change it.you still have to be swinging in the right place no matter what you got its 90% luck anyway.

Agreed DWB.

I would say, dont worry about other machines, or that your machine can pick up fragments of gold at x,y,z inches deep. Go out, detect and let your finds do the talking. After all , that's the whole idea of the hobby isn't it ?  ::)

So true, and like Rob says, "let your finds do the talking"  :)

you need a lot of luck.look at the 3 year finding that gold locket come on.the amount of rallies i have been on where i have been 4ft away from a decent coin and someone else finds it ooh :o,thats not cos of the machine i was just walking the wrong line.
 most of us are not experts just sometimes get lucky.i could go out and buy a 5 grand gpx but still probably take it to the wrong fields.
 no need to argue just get out there and as you say show the finds.
 somedays i get a gold ring when there are 4 others swinging at the beach,next day maybe jassy gets one then one wayno thats the luck of the draw all our machines are good :)
 

interesting topic and suposed results  ;D

Obviously the item has to be there in the first place to be found..........you have to walk over it.

BUT, on testing with natural targets, there's been occasions when one machine has indicated a 'diggy' and another has not. And, I'm not just talking about sheer depth here.

It seems that certain machines are more adept at picking up targets in certain soils, better with some metals, and also how the item is laying in the ground.

It can make a difference as to the direction you approach a target. In one direction your machine will sound off and in a different direction it won't!

Another interesting point is that the same make/model machine can be different (better or worse) depending on the user. I'm talking technique, experience, machine settings and interpretation of signals.

It all boils down to luck on the day. But good technique AND knowing your machine will go a long way to increasing your luck.

Bob which detector do you prefer on fresh plough soil, Deus or Bliss ? ;D ;D

The Deus I suppose with small coil. It's light and fast.

The BLISS is best on pasture where depth is helpful.

Bob, I find the Deus with the larger coil just as effective on pasture, and obviously covers a larger area than the small coil, not sure though how it compares with depth between the two coils.

Does increase the weight

Yesterday dug out a george sixpence at arround 2" longer than a garrett probe !  ;D

The Deus I suppose with small coil. It's light and fast
 makes up for u being heavy and slow bobby lol ;D