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Title: porthcawl beach Post by: imnotginger on May 28, 2012, 10:50:12 AM Anyone go here detecting ? missis has booked a caravan down there and the detector is coming with me ;D
Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: peanut on May 28, 2012, 11:05:22 AM Hi Imnotgingerbutstrawburyblonde! ;D
never detected there myself but if you look on the Crown Estates website they have a coastal map showing where they own the coastline . Have a look here http://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/media/199747/metal_south_wales.pdf (http://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/media/199747/metal_south_wales.pdf) if it covers where you want to detect you can download a free Crown Estates Beach metal detecting permit in case anyone asks you . http://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/marine/metal-detecting/ (http://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/marine/metal-detecting/) You might check with the local council too in case they lease the beach and have any policy regarding metal detecting. basically if there is no sign up saying you can't detect you should be ok. Are you a member of FID ? and have insurance Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: imnotginger on May 28, 2012, 11:09:12 AM FID ? what insurance do i need ?? ( new to this )
Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: Whiteduke on May 28, 2012, 01:53:19 PM I wouldn't worry about insurance and permits for the beach,there isn't any signs up
saying you need one,ignorance is a great tool for MD. I have never been approached on any beach about a permit. I have been approached by scantly clad females on the beach. but you wont have that problem being ginger :) Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: imnotginger on May 28, 2012, 04:49:54 PM hahaha im strawberry blond 8)
Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: peanut on May 28, 2012, 10:02:40 PM FID ? what insurance do i need ?? ( new to this ) I would strongly recommend that you ignore the previous advice . Ignorance is never accepted in Court as a legitimate excuse for not knowing about trespass or illegal actions. Portcawl beach is owned by the Crown Estate . If anyone catches you detecting there without a permit you'd probably be prosecuted.They have done so previously and the detectorists detector was confiscated . A permit is completely free so why would anyone not bother to download a permit and carry it ? NCMD or FID its only £8.00 quid a year for £10million civil liability insurance and free legal advice . If you inadvertently or accidently cause any damage or loss to others whilst detecting you are covered. Only a fool would advise not having the cover and if you ever intend to attend any detecting rallies it will definitely be a requirement . Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: Meatslicer on May 28, 2012, 10:24:59 PM Technically the crown owns the beach between high and low tide marks. As long as you have a permit (as mentioned, free and downloadable as long as the web site doesn't crash like it did a few months ago) there is no reason not to access the areas you want to on porthcawl beach. Rest bay is probably a better bet only because it is easier to search because it gets water covering it completely at high tide, and it has a lot of activity from surfers who are notoriously good at losing their jewellery/money/other bits.
The other side of porthcawl is Merthyr mawr, the warrens and coney beach. Lots of roman activity there but beware the scheduled areas in the dunes at merthyr mawr. Eric Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: Whiteduke on May 28, 2012, 10:28:06 PM "I would strongly recommend that you ignore the previous advice"
Ok I will give in to the fact that theres no need not to have a permit, Ive been detecting on and off for 35 years and never once had to produce a permit on a beach. Maybe I'm just lucky :D But why would you possibly want insurance on a beach,i think you could do more damage with a beach ball if I'm honest. Suppose you could knock someones sandcastle over,not sure the cps would be interested in that. Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: jonty on May 28, 2012, 10:54:05 PM I concur with Whiteduke. I've lived in Porthcawl since 1982 and detected on the beach opposite the fair and on Rest Bay all that time. Never ever heard about a permit and never been asked for one. We seem to give ourselves problems that are not there. Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: peanut on May 29, 2012, 07:54:16 PM you may not have had a problem personally but others have been less fortunate and been prosecuted. There was a female detectorist on the I O Wight recently that was prosecuted.
To recommend to a novice detectorists that are just starting out, to NOT comply with the Law and obtain a permit is simply irresponsible. I can only assume that you two are the sort of detectorists that think nothing of detecting on other people's land without getting permission ! Regarding insurance......... if you cannot see the advantage of paying £8.00 for £10 million pounds cover for any eventuallity I can only assume that you are the type of person that has no building and contents insurance to cover your detector and equipment whilst out of the house ? Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: The Doc on May 29, 2012, 08:42:58 PM Anyway, Porthcawl beach (in front of the funfair) and Rest Bay are not Crown Estate property.
I don't know who does own them, but these beaches have been detected for many years and as far as I am aware no-one will stop you. Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: jonty on May 29, 2012, 09:11:20 PM Just to let you know peanut, I find your comments offensive. You do not have a clue what kind of detectorist I am. Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: Whiteduke on May 29, 2012, 11:30:23 PM you may not have had a problem personally but others have been less fortunate and been prosecuted. There was a female detectorist on the I O Wight recently that was prosecuted. To recommend to a novice detectorists that are just starting out, to NOT comply with the Law and obtain a permit is simply irresponsible. I can only assume that you two are the sort of detectorists that think nothing of detecting on other people's land without getting permission ! Regarding insurance......... if you cannot see the advantage of paying £8.00 for £10 million pounds cover for any eventuallity I can only assume that you are the type of person that has no building and contents insurance to cover your detector and equipment whilst out of the house ? I haven't read stuff like this since the viz comic i`ll have you know that i tried to insure my gear whilst out the house,but as most of my detecting is done under the cover of darkness they wouldn't quote me. Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: imnotginger on May 30, 2012, 11:42:58 AM i got a permit from the crown ;D thankfully it didnt cost anything as i only found £1. 5p hahah and a lot of strange small lumps of metal in balls ? i got alot to learn great fun tho ;D
Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: Val Beechey on May 30, 2012, 12:16:23 PM I don't think most Insurance Companies would cover crow bars either. >:(
I hope you're joking Whiteduke. Shame I'm not laughing. Fuel for raging fires there. Val Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: saxonman on May 30, 2012, 12:24:47 PM I no Jonty Small ;D ;D....In the early 70s i had to pay for a permit from Barry council,which cost me 30shillings.It was abolished in the 80s,paper work was costing them to much......It actualy came under Pipe searchers license......As for insurance for beeches there is no need at all.Well unless some bright spark will think of it in the future......Barry does not come under the new license scheme and i think Porthcawl as well.......
link=topic=14909.msg137799#msg137799 date=1338321256] you may not have had a problem personally but others have been less fortunate and been prosecuted. There was a female detectorist on the I O Wight recently that was prosecuted. To recommend to a novice detectorists that are just starting out, to NOT comply with the Law and obtain a permit is simply irresponsible. I can only assume that you two are the sort of detectorists that think nothing of detecting on other people's land without getting permission ! Regarding insurance......... if you cannot see the advantage of paying £8.00 for £10 million pounds cover for any eventuallity I can only assume that you are the type of person that has no building and contents insurance to cover your detector and equipment whilst out of the house ? I haven't read stuff like this since the viz comic i`ll have you know that i tried to insure my gear whilst out the house,but as most of my detecting is done under the cover of darkness they wouldn't quote me. Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: Whiteduke on May 30, 2012, 12:38:11 PM I think the clue is in the viz comment Val.
just because someone says they detect in the night,doesent make it right to assume they are detecting without permission. i wasn't exactly rolling on the floor with laughter when someone found it in there wisdom to assume that i nighthawked and then went on to assume what my insurance preferences were. THAT ! is fuel for a fire. its an old cliche Assume nothing,question everything. Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: db4 on May 30, 2012, 02:27:10 PM and a bit more info
Finds All objects found on our foreshore, other than treasure, are in principle the property of The Crown Estate and may potentially be claimed by us. The procedure for reporting finds and the general principle in terms of rewards for treasure and non-treasure are explained on the terms and conditions page. The Portable Antiquities Scheme exists to record all archaeological finds made by the public in England and Wales. As part of our permit we require that all archaeological finds found on our land are reported to your local Finds Liaison Officer. Archaeological finds found in Northern Ireland should be reported to the Police or the Director of the Ulster Museum. Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: dances with badgers on May 31, 2012, 04:39:25 AM i so well at porthcawl coinshooting and dont get any hassle on of ****** guys who think they are funny till i put them right lol
Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: peanut on May 31, 2012, 08:07:22 PM i so well at porthcawl coinshooting and dont get any hassle on of ****** guys who think they are funny till i put them right lol ahem .......cough..... :-\ wots that in English then ?? ;D ;D Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: handyman [Alan} on May 31, 2012, 09:24:17 PM even more interesting, put it in welsh dwb!! sod them english guys!
Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: dances with badgers on June 01, 2012, 06:08:28 AM sorry drunks oops ::)
Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: silversurfer on August 31, 2013, 08:31:10 PM I concur with Whiteduke. I've lived in Porthcawl since 1982 and detected on the beach opposite the fair and on Rest Bay all that time. Never ever heard about a permit and never been asked for one. We seem to give ourselves problems that are not there. I would just like to put an end to this discussion once and for all. I had never heard about beach permits especially since im new to the hobby, however last sunday i decided to take the kids down to corney beach porthcawl fro a few hrs before people turned up. it was a bank holiday sunday. The night before i went i was reading this forum and happened across the thread about beach permits. i decided to look into it and ended up downloading the free one to my pc where i printed it off. Am I ever glad i did at 08.15 i was approached by a council worker asking me if i had a permit to detect on the beach. i duly showed him my permit and he thanked me for my time and left me alone.. if i hadnt had one i was informed there was upto a £3k fine Tony Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: The Doc on August 31, 2013, 08:49:45 PM I concur with Whiteduke. I've lived in Porthcawl since 1982 and detected on the beach opposite the fair and on Rest Bay all that time. Never ever heard about a permit and never been asked for one. We seem to give ourselves problems that are not there. I would just like to put an end to this discussion once and for all. I had never heard about beach permits especially since im new to the hobby, however last sunday i decided to take the kids down to corney beach porthcawl fro a few hrs before people turned up. it was a bank holiday sunday. The night before i went i was reading this forum and happened across the thread about beach permits. i decided to look into it and ended up downloading the free one to my pc where i printed it off. Am I ever glad i did at 08.15 i was approached by a council worker asking me if i had a permit to detect on the beach. i duly showed him my permit and he thanked me for my time and left me alone.. if i hadnt had one i was informed there was upto a £3k fine Tony I don't know what sort of permit you had, but the beach in front of the fair (Sandy Bay) is not Crown Estate . Newton Beach is the only one at Porthcawl for which the Crown Estate permit is valid. See here for the Crown Estate map for South Wales: http://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/media/199747/metal-south-wales.pdf (http://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/media/199747/metal-south-wales.pdf) Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: legio11augustus on September 01, 2013, 02:54:17 AM hahaha,thankyou all , made me chuckle
Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: nobby on September 01, 2013, 06:55:22 AM Lol he probably was a chancer looking to catch you out and then look for a bribe not to inform "his" officials ;D
Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: falcon. on September 01, 2013, 10:24:54 AM Its privatly owed by pat evans + son that owns the fairground ;)
Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: alun on September 01, 2013, 11:53:01 AM Anyways, hope you had fun detecting on Porthcawl and enjoyed your holiday dude ;)
Never had problems on any part of the beach, even helped find a childs lost saint christopher. Happy days dudes and dudets keep on smilling ;D Title: Re: porthcawl beach Post by: dances with badgers on September 15, 2013, 01:26:12 PM porthcawl is a very hard beach to detect,the gold is over a meter down ,plenty of pound coins if you want to work the dry sand but otherwise forget it unless you just need some practice or fishing weight near break water wall where peeps fish off.
i have never been stop by officials even when beach is packed in the summertime,in theory it should be loaded with goodies but the sand does not get moved about much there at all,i have watched it for two years waiting for sand to shift but it aint,had a few recent drop rings there but after a few tides they sink too deep.when i buy a mini digger i will nip down there one dark night and clean up lol . i did make a 138 quid there on a 3 day hunt after a very busy warm bank holiday last year.i will be trying my pulse machine out there soon so watch this space. rest bay is also a hard beach to do because of far too much sand on |