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Title: one amazing find today
Post by: Mike on October 30, 2011, 05:51:10 PM
found today down the vale on the swansea rally by GRIFFMEISTER amazing find , made of what looks like bronze with gold looking guilding all over and very heavy , a truely superb item well done mark , and he's only been detecting 2 months  :o :o

maybe roman , celtic any ideas anyone


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: herbie on October 30, 2011, 05:57:00 PM
OMG that's truly amazing, looks complete too, really can't get over how good that is, well done mate, what a find!!! :o


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Passingclod(Andrew) on October 30, 2011, 05:58:42 PM
Hello
Didnt see it up close to be honest I got side tracked and forgot .Great days detecting really enjoyed it.I left with a part of a Bronze age axehead a mangled up georgian silver spoon and a henry 111 hammered coin that doesnt seem to be in the spinks book?Crown looks different on the coin compared to the ones in the book?
Cheers Andrew


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: nobby on October 30, 2011, 06:03:12 PM
absolutley stunning mate :o


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Neil on October 30, 2011, 06:08:37 PM
Jesus - that looks a tad special. Any chance of seeing the back of it and do you know if its been cleaned at all as the feet and higher bits are shiny!

Any ideas on what its made of?

Very interesting find

Neil


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Mike on October 30, 2011, 06:12:16 PM
Jesus - that looks a tad special. Any chance of seeing the back of it and do you know if its been cleaned at all as the feet and higher bits are shiny!

Any ideas on what its made of?

Very interesting find

Neil

its the same both sides neil , and no it hasnt been cleaned thats 2 minutes after it came up  :o :o :o


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: colin on October 30, 2011, 06:17:10 PM
really like that looks like there could be a fair bit of history to it  well done mate ;)


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Neil on October 30, 2011, 06:23:40 PM
A lovely find - its not a million miles away from this image I just Googled up of a modern reproduction of a Greek horse for sale.

The head certainly looks more styalized in a Greek form than Roman or Celtic to me. If it is Greek - you are writing part of Welsh history - get ready for some fame! :)

Amazing find - would have loved to have seen his face when that came out! I bet he was beaming from ear to ear! :)

Neil


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: JRD on October 30, 2011, 06:27:45 PM
Wow great find that.


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: rjm on October 30, 2011, 06:31:26 PM


That is nice. Looks older than Roman to me. 


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Villan (Neil) on October 30, 2011, 06:32:33 PM
Superb find and very unusual too,congratulations ;)  ;D


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: dragonsbreath(Paul) on October 30, 2011, 06:34:09 PM
One of the best finds i have seen in many a year.......stunning......PaulB. 8)


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Trys on October 30, 2011, 06:35:50 PM
Wow, never seen anything like it! Amazing find!


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Roman (Ray) on October 30, 2011, 06:36:44 PM
outstanding find thats all i can say.wwooww.welldone indeed.
ray


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Mungo on October 30, 2011, 06:37:54 PM
i'd of clunked that with me spade .......... :-[ congratulations on a belter of a find .......... 8)
well done that man......


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Nick on October 30, 2011, 06:41:02 PM
What an amazing find, well done Griffmeister  :) :)

I definitely would have chopped at least one of the legs off, if not more  :(


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: markymark123 on October 30, 2011, 06:43:04 PM
Amazing find mate well done  :) ...what rally was this was it from this site or have i missed summin lol


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: the hog on October 30, 2011, 06:45:40 PM
found today down the vale on the swansea rally by GRIFFMEISTER amazing find , made of what looks like bronze with gold looking guilding all over and very heavy , a truely superb item well done mark , and he's only been detecting 2 months  :o :o

maybe roman , celtic any ideas anyone
It's Roman, and they normally have a Rider on them.
I know of one which came up in Bedfordshire and years later he found the Rider.
Nice find, well saved!!


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Neil on October 30, 2011, 06:48:46 PM
Hi Hog - the Roman ones look different mate and are much smaller from the examples I have seen and held. You maybe right, but I think the scale and design is too different.

A quality find whatever it turns out to be.

Neil


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Griffmiester on October 30, 2011, 06:58:41 PM
Thanks guys......... ;D...i plucked that little sucker out of its dark muddy home just millisecs and i mean millisecs before mikethefob`s minelab came darting and whirring and whistling like mad attacking the hole from whence it came...just a little slow there bud.... :D...but anyway still not sure what to make of it just yet...farmersteve is popping down to the museum to check it out.....it could be the Real Deal or just another item on the mantlepiece.....watch this space.......... ;)


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: beachboy (viv) on October 30, 2011, 07:15:38 PM
thats some find,one in a million fantastic mate congratulations what more can anyone say.viv


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: onehorseAl( Al) on October 30, 2011, 07:16:31 PM
wow! Thats some find.Well done and congrats.
Al :) :) :)


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Techony on October 30, 2011, 07:21:09 PM
Awesome, absolutely fantastic find!!!!

Very well found and congratulations on not damaging it during the recovery.This is going to be special, I'm sure.


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Jassy on October 30, 2011, 07:39:58 PM
fantastic find!!! superb!


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: avalon on October 30, 2011, 10:03:45 PM
If it's genuine it's a real rarity, well done :P


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: jtalbot0001 on October 30, 2011, 11:11:39 PM
That has got to be one of the most beautiful objects I have ever seen!!! This just reminds me why I am in this hobby, to find things just like that!! Absolutely stunning!! Well done!!


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: wayne on October 31, 2011, 01:29:34 AM
now thats something to brag about.


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Jeb on October 31, 2011, 08:13:59 AM
I`d love it to be genuine for the finders sake.
 However sorry to pi$$ on the finders parade but ,I`ve seen  modern day Brass fakes with the verdigris looking just like that (patchy)and it makes me wonder.  ??? Good luck on the outcome anyway And I sincerely hope it proves genuine. The  FLO should verify if it is or not..


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: dances with badgers on October 31, 2011, 09:11:01 AM
stunning find wow :o


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Val Beechey on October 31, 2011, 09:30:16 AM
Soooooo beautiful. It's one of those rare finds that I have to keep going back to and admiring. ::)

I hope it isn't a modern repro. What a fantastic find. ;D

Val


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: falcon. on October 31, 2011, 10:32:24 AM
Wow fantastic find there well done :o


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: mickycoin "mick" on October 31, 2011, 10:36:54 AM
fantastic find, looks celtic to me like the whitehorse in chalk on the side of the hill greatfind :o :o mickycoin ;D ;D


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: avalon on October 31, 2011, 11:10:22 AM
It does look very similar to these based on a horse from Greece. ???

http://www.etsy.com/listing/76378643/ancient-greece-bronze-horse-in-gallop (http://www.etsy.com/listing/76378643/ancient-greece-bronze-horse-in-gallop)

http://www.museumselection.co.uk/bronze-horseman-prod10190/ (http://www.museumselection.co.uk/bronze-horseman-prod10190/)


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: saxonman on October 31, 2011, 07:52:15 PM
Looks to Blue to me,lets hope im wrong.


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: relichunting on October 31, 2011, 09:47:49 PM
I am not so  sure this is bronze with gold gilding,it looks painted brass,I would guess its a modern copy,hope im wrong though,if genuine its got to be worth around 15000 maybe even more


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: IFINDNOTHING on October 31, 2011, 10:04:05 PM
Griffmeister, BIG Well done. I hope this is the real deal for you.


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: legio11augustus on November 01, 2011, 01:01:24 AM
special find nice 1 , looks celtic ...something on similar elk in cardiff meseum


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: DEADLOCK on November 01, 2011, 07:42:16 AM
Weldone great find mate ;D


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: heather on November 01, 2011, 08:16:17 AM
mark, still cant believe you found that ! 

Even if its not the real deal, its just something fantastic to dig up.  I know the farmer's family are well into horses, could have been one of their daughters, just dont know.

On the other hand if its real - steve, (farmersteve)  wayne and mikeTF will be trying to get you to sell it pronto to get their share of the booty ! lol. ;D

Take care

H




Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Val Beechey on November 01, 2011, 10:02:31 AM
If it's the real thing, is it likely to be Treasure ????

Val


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Griffmiester on November 01, 2011, 11:45:12 AM
Well the word is out on the street......had conformation off Farmersteve this morning who had it appraised that it is a modern day reproduction...probably worth a few quid on ebay rather than thousands if it was the real deal...Had to keep an open mind and hopes about it but mega dissappointed all the same...a bit of brasso on him to give him a nice shine and up on the mantlepiece it goes as a reminder... :(


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: jtalbot0001 on November 01, 2011, 11:51:47 AM
That is a shame! What on earth is a modern replica doing out in the middle of nowhere? Very strange?


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Val Beechey on November 01, 2011, 12:10:34 PM
Just what I thought. Very strange. Such a dissapointment. :'(

Never mind, praps one day. ::)

Val


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Nick on November 01, 2011, 12:13:42 PM
Chin up, there's always tomorrow.


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: relichunting on November 01, 2011, 12:14:55 PM
I was sure this was a modern copy, but as everyone seemed so excited about it I was hoping I was wrong

How a modern copy got in to the field in the first place is a complete mystery

Maybe one of the farmer's families lost it, or someone planted it for a joke



Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: herbie on November 01, 2011, 12:41:22 PM
Totally gutted for you mate :-\


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: wayne on November 01, 2011, 02:30:37 PM
must talk to the farmer,i think hes been having car boot sales on this one.  OH BUM!!!!!


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: mickycoin "mick" on November 01, 2011, 02:40:36 PM
having read the story so far, even a modern copy would be worth a few bob, still makes no sence to bury it in the field in the first place lets hope it is the real thing,, get it looked at by the proper people ""game shot"" fingers, toes everything crossed for you goodluck  mickycoin ;D ;D


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Mrs Steptoe on November 01, 2011, 02:46:09 PM
Even though it is a modern replica it's still a lovely find.I'd have been delighted to have dug that up,whatever its age.I only hope it wasn't planted as a cruel joke.
  Onwards and upwards-keep at it.


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: heather on November 02, 2011, 07:35:32 AM
ah shame Mark,

But they also had horse shows on that field if I remember, or one near it, so might have been a trophy for winning a class.

Great find all the same :) wish I had found it

take care

H




Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: staterchaser on November 03, 2011, 12:38:13 AM
Weird thing is, there was another very similar sold on ebay 10 days ago from Bridgend.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ancient-Greek-Trojan-Roman-style-VERDIGRIS-HORSE-Sculpture-Brass-Metal-Art-/140618478655?pt=UK_Home_Garden_Decorative_Accents_LE&hash=item20bd83b43f (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ancient-Greek-Trojan-Roman-style-VERDIGRIS-HORSE-Sculpture-Brass-Metal-Art-/140618478655?pt=UK_Home_Garden_Decorative_Accents_LE&hash=item20bd83b43f)

I wonder where this one came from?


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Chef Geoff on November 03, 2011, 02:05:21 AM
Excellent bit of detective work Ceri. Given that the lighting and angle is different and of course the soil, there appears to be a slight difference in the shoulder boss and neck decoration, but the gold appears to be identical definitely from the same workshop.


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Meatslicer on November 03, 2011, 04:27:34 AM
Bizarre! Even if it is a modern item, why the hell leave it in a field?

Think someone is having a laugh here.

Eric


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Tafflaff (Rob) on November 03, 2011, 08:27:16 AM
The ring dots going down the neck are different and also on the Rally find there is a Zig Zag pattern running down the neck. So defo not the same artifact.


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: ysbytymike on November 03, 2011, 08:51:40 AM
I was there and in discussions over its condition, I overheard someone mentioning that there had been burglaries in the area in the past.
Maybe someone crossing the fields dropped it? It looks in too amazing condition too have been underground for more than a few years surely.


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Napoleon on November 03, 2011, 08:56:30 AM
Well if its a repro still a cracking find and what a nice artifacts to display , strange it end up in that field middle off knowhere but s big bravo to the finder . Nap


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: nobby on November 03, 2011, 09:39:23 AM
they re all over the place ;D

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Bronze-Greek-Horse-Meuseum-Replica-Greek-Art-/220853154942?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item336bdfb47e (http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Bronze-Greek-Horse-Meuseum-Replica-Greek-Art-/220853154942?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item336bdfb47e)


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Jassy on November 03, 2011, 09:48:58 AM
I recall seeing them in the gift shop at  the famous Minoan Palace ,Knossos,Crete.


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Chef Geoff on November 03, 2011, 09:57:19 AM
I think there may be an Elephant in the room here, lets face it the likelihood is that some idiot has put it there either on the same day or a couple before and not realising the disappointment this type of stupid prank can cause, they have now bottled it and can't admit to doing it, and yes they are almost certainly a member on here.
Those clean bronze areas are bright and shiny and those legs, not a bend in sight.
It happened on one of Avalon's digs last year and on the Corf rally by MLO and a Weekend Wanderers Rally.


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: saxonman on November 03, 2011, 10:13:05 AM
Weird thing is, there was another very similar sold on ebay 10 days ago from Bridgend.

[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ancient-Greek-Trojan-Roman-style-VERDIGRIS-HORSE-Sculpture-Brass-Metal-Art-/140618478655?pt=UK_Home_Garden_Decorative_Accents_LE&hash=item20bd83b43f[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ancient-Greek-Trojan-Roman-style-VERDIGRIS-HORSE-Sculpture-Brass-Metal-Art-/140618478655?pt=UK_Home_Garden_Decorative_Accents_LE&hash=item20bd83b43f[/url])
Find the buyer find the dope.
I wonder where this one came from?


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: nobby on November 03, 2011, 10:14:00 AM
That has got to be one of the most beautiful objects I have ever seen!!! This just reminds me why I am in this hobby, to find things just like that!! Absolutely stunning!! Well done!!

try on ebay....theres loads ;D


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Chef Geoff on November 03, 2011, 10:16:26 AM
 :D :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: waltonbasinman on November 03, 2011, 02:13:05 PM
Remarkable object..... The rest of the story ???  But Nobby all I hhave to say Is  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Da Monkey on November 10, 2011, 06:50:31 PM
Bizarre! Even if it is a modern item, why the hell leave it in a field?

Think someone is having a laugh here.

Eric

Not buried to get a degree of patina / corrosion for selling on by any chance ?


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: The Doc on December 01, 2012, 05:02:57 PM
Just resurrecting this dead topic, and to show there's one (or actually 10) born every minute, here's an almost identical horse on eBay, supposedly a detector find by the seller's dead grandfather. It's currently attracted 33 bids from 10 bidders, and is at 232 with a day to go:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Large-Celtic-Horse-Detector-Find-/261132010375 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Large-Celtic-Horse-Detector-Find-/261132010375)

Seller is oksanab2005



Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Roman (Ray) on December 01, 2012, 05:06:56 PM
NICEST ARTEFACT IVE EVER SEEN !!


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Mike on December 01, 2012, 05:13:58 PM
aaah  yes the fabled celtic horse ,  ::) ::)


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: legio11augustus on December 01, 2012, 05:39:06 PM
ouch someones going to get there fingers burnt


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Chef Geoff on December 01, 2012, 05:45:50 PM
Ummm? I may fly out to Cyprus for an all inclusive holiday, buy a dozen and still be quids in. ;D


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Tafflaff (Rob) on December 01, 2012, 05:55:46 PM
Using a little detective work and the eye of faith, If you look at the buying history of the Bridgend Horse, the buyes has also bought Police memorabilia and animal obedience books.

I wonder if the police have been training dogs on that field and That was left there for the dogs to find ?


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: celticspikey on December 01, 2012, 08:51:36 PM
found today down the vale on the swansea rally by GRIFFMEISTER amazing find , made of what looks like bronze with gold looking guilding all over and very heavy , a truely superb item well done mark , and he's only been detecting 2 months  :o :o

maybe roman , celtic any ideas anyone
Bad luck Mike, patina wasnt rite for something 2,000 years, shouldnt have shinny bits. that said great on mantle piece ;)


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Metalmickey on December 01, 2012, 09:42:43 PM
Reported to Seller & Ebay as a Fake/Con & just received this reply from Seller...

ah a fake, please talk to brit museum as they have seen photos now,go look carefully between fake greek rubbish and this, for a start greeks dont have celtic design..there is no patina on fakes..
this aint no fake, its a genuine fake, im joking, its genuine was in my grandfathers house for years,dont go to greece on holiday as they are eating dog as nobody got money,

 LOL  ;D


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: The Doc on December 01, 2012, 10:38:00 PM
I suppose to be fair to the seller, this is what he says in the item description:

"We Are Currently Clearing Out My Grandfathers House, He Was A Keen Metal Detectorist.. He Has A Vast Collection Of Finds. My Mother Is Sure This Horse Was Found By Him Many Years Ago. We Cannot Guarantee This So Selling This Horse As An Unknown Item..It Is Beautifully Decorated, Looks Like Gold So Perhaps It Has Been gilted In Places... We Did Show It To A Local Detectorist. His Opinion Is That It Did Come Out Of The Ground As The Patina Is To Be Expected.. He Did Make Us An Offer But We Declined, We Will Gamble On Ebay"

It started at 4.14, with no reserve, so the rest of the bidding is just down to the clueless folk believing they can see something that might be worth thousands, unless there's some shill bidding going on.


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: nobby on December 02, 2012, 07:39:33 AM
I think I have some genuine crucifixtion nails in the garage.......think i'll dig em out ::)


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: relichunting on December 02, 2012, 11:02:08 AM
Reported to Seller & Ebay as a Fake/Con & just received this reply from Seller...

ah a fake, please talk to brit museum as they have seen photos now,go look carefully between fake greek rubbish and this, for a start greeks dont have celtic design..there is no patina on fakes..
this aint no fake, its a genuine fake, im joking, its genuine was in my grandfathers house for years,dont go to greece on holiday as they are eating dog as nobody got money,

 LOL  ;D


Just wait until its sold,after a few weeks you will see the feedback,you can then contact who ever bought the rubbbish and let them know they have been conned  ;D


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Mike on December 03, 2012, 12:23:40 AM
820  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

chef , book the flight , im coming too  ;) ;)


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: nobby on December 03, 2012, 07:25:30 AM
OMG :D


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: Val Beechey on December 03, 2012, 09:48:00 AM
Bet Griff wishes he'd put his on the bay now. WOW what a price. :o  I hope they're not toooooo disapointed. ::)

Val


Title: Re: one amazing find today
Post by: the-BANGOR-citizan on December 03, 2012, 10:03:58 AM
I think I have some genuine crucifixtion nails in the garage.......think i'll dig em out ::)
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
;D


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