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Is it any good for UK soil?

My head hurts, so much choice, so many frequencies, so many settings!

Thought I was set on the T2 but it's a noisy mare and I couldn't seem to control the chattering, then I thought about the 8000 with a F75/T2 coil but it runs at 7.5 good for silver not so good for gold - then there's the G2, quite with reasonable depth and excellent recovery and separation (see utube) THEN I thought about the Rutus, whites in drag maybe but with the only 'tests' coming from one of the developers I'll tread with caution...

Please.............. advice

i got a goldbug pro run on 19khz found 1 roman brooch , 3 roman coins , silver six pence and cartwheel penny so dont know if i am doing something special but run mine on descrim 29 and sens 100 and  its very stable . Nap

That's interesting Nap - did the GB go mental for the silver? My old SE did, something like DUSTY, STOP MAN, DIG, SILVER AAAHHH!! while the T2 on test was too busy chatting to another detector that wasn't there!

to be honestDusty,  i am suprised how good the detector respond on Uk soil as you dont see many of this machines been used by detectorists but well if that machine find me some silvers at a very clear signals and some romans that mean it will find more ,its a very sensitive detector as you will expect on 19khz but so far so good and forgot i had some georgian , victorian coins too.  .the good thing i like its the only  two tone, so one is non one is oui lol and i dig everything over 50 simular with the G2 .Nap

Ah, that's good news! I'm very nearly sold on the brother G2 just for the fact that you are finding a variation of things and it looks OK for our soil..

I'm surprised it's good on silver, from what I've been reading it's usually the low frequency detectors that like it.. it's also difficult to get the bottom line in forums when people are comparing them to much more expensive machines!

As the name would suggest it'll probably go mental when it hits the yellow stuff!

Cheers Nap!

Hi Dusty, first there is no such thing as "UK soil", conditions in mineralisation and underlying geology can change in the space of less than 100 meters as can the effect of old pasture compared too freshly ploughed and rolled.
The reason why the Explorers and now the Etrac have been in many peoples view the best machine on the market has been it's adaptability to most situations, so I believe its a (good) jack of all trades rather than a master of one, but with drawbacks.
Now as for 19kHz, the laws of physics haven't been rewritten, so the fact remains that the lower the frequency the deeper the machine will detect and the higher the frequency the more sensitive it is to the lower conductors such as small silver and gold.
A lot of people swear by the T2 but as you have found the extra sensitivity comes at a price which is...um well, it's sensitivity :D a touch of you can't have your cake and eat it.
The F75 on the other hand which should be the same does seem to have more filters which makes it slightly more stable but at the cost of less sensitivity to tiny (and we are talking tiny) items.
You have to take a look at the type of land you will be detecting for the majority of the time, is it pasture or plough? inland or beach?If you are not going for one of the Explorer series or Deus then you have to dedicate the detector to the terrain. But after saying all that, most machines operating around 7.5kHz are a general purpose machine. ;)

Really are you trying to upset me Geoff  :'(

 ;D

Chances are it'll mostly be on forest land parks and maybe if I'm lucky a farmers field, thou I don't know if it will be ploughed.

Depth is another chin scratcher do I trade off depth for sensitivity or sensitivity for depth  ???

I suppose it boils down to how deep a 19khz will go in comparison to a 7.5 in your average park with bottle caps/coke cans etc... I mean if a 19 will only do 3" then it probably won't be for me, 6"+ is cool, I don't want to be digging for ages like I did most of the time with the SE..

Anyway seriously I've been crunching these sodding detectors for hours and with a spanner in the works I could be back to square one  :'(

Bedtime

Thanks G

Oh, is it possible to get more depth from a 19khz with a better coil?

Hi Dusty , to be honest Chef have answered your question but i wanted to say this machine love the yellow stuffs thats why they call it the goldbug pro but its also good on coins shooting and relics , i do better with the gold bug pro on ploughed than my explorer xs so the machine is good i give them a good rating for the simplicity and the only thing they should improve is the build quality on the goldbug or G2 . I am far from been a expert on detector but the goldbug or G2 are good , ok they dont match Deus ,E trac and so on but for the price you pay for a Deus you can get a old explorer and a G2 thats the way i look at it 2 machine for the price of one  ;D. My main machine i use is the explorer xs, a old detector but again i give 9/10 , just over a year with it and had 10 romans brooch , 4 hammered , a roman enameled plate, 40 silvers coins dated 1700 -1900 and few other nice goodies so well happy with it and for sure i am staying in the minelab route to my next upgrade , its all a personnal choice when it come to detectors especially at my level like i said as a spare machine my goldbug is doing everything it should do . Happy hunting.Nap.

lol Sorry Dusty, By looking at what you want, what you've had and what you expect, then I would go for a machine you have already mentioned which is the Teknetics Omega 8000.
Regardless what machine you buy you will always read of what other people find with other machines and wonder whether you should of bought that one, we all do, it's a human weakness.
So get the Omega and learn it, learn it, learn it. The old adage holds true; A good detectorist with a bad machine will always be better than a bad detectorist with a good machine ;)

Lol Geoff agree with that

The old adage holds true; A good detectorist with a bad machine will always be better than a bad detectorist with a good machine .

I have to agree with Geoff on the subject. The one thing about the Deus is that you do learn the different
ways the frequencies operate, 4, 8, 12 and 18khz.

On many occasions I have seen the Tecknetics Omega 8000 being used (make sure you get the T2 coil) and
I am very very impressed with it. The display and ease of use is first class. It is the favourite machine of
The Tecknetics designer so that should tell you a lot. It operates abut 7.5khz and really does get a good
range of stuff at nice depths. I would say that if I was looking to spend £500 this is the one I'd go for.

If you want to be digging deep holes on all targets, including hammereds, then the Minelab Sovereign GT
is your machine, and there's a good range of after market coils. BUT you have to learn it and go slow.

As Geoff said, it's all a case of learning your machine.

I'd highly recommend the Omega  ;)

 

OK thanks chaps... back to the drawing board..!  ::)

i use a gold bug dam good peace of kit they bang hammeys to 6to9 inc they get alot the Deus cant gt is rubbish on iron sites i use to be a mine lad fan but now i use detectors that find the stuff in the ground if you want a demo on hammeys or gold i will put it up agenst any detector and you can see for your self

Sorry John, what is rubbish on iron sites? the gold bug?
Don't you think Minelab FBS's find anything then?

I think he is stating the Minelab Sovereign GT is rubbish on iron sites.

The Gold bug can get a lot the Deus can not ? my Deus does not miss anything  ???

as i said we will have to put it to the test no good falling out put it in the ground and see if it can be found any time on a dig we will have to have a play

Party tricks lol, I know why don't we see how deep they will go lol. ummmmm you can make them all appear good if you use the right target. and then we could take the gold bug to the beach  and test it against the Sovereign lol.
AS for not missing anything well I'm afraid ignorance is bliss and if we miss something, well, we never know so we can't even state that with certainty.

When I say the Deus will not miss anything,I simply mean it will signal the very smallest  pieces of metal including gold.  ;D

I have missed lots of targets in the past probably because my coil never went over them, my mates have come up behind me and found them under my nose.

I tried my Deus on a gold party trick at a rally and it matched the chaps T2 no problems,in fact the Deus gave a positive signal,opposed to his T2 giving the iron grunt

On iron contaminated ploughed soil I believe the Deus can not be beaten it will beat an E-trac hands down.

On clean pasture and forest areas then an E-trac would be the detector of choice,the trouble is the weight and there annoying tones,but once you click with the machine your fine.

High frequencies machines are great on small items cut half's etc,but you sacrifice a bit on the depth side

yep,it all depends on what is in the ground on any particular site. The majority of finds (on a site that has had continuous habitation/activity) ;D will be found by any reputable detector if the coil is passed over them, but if u r on a poor site(that has had little or no habitation) >:( then even using the 'best' detectors money can buy will not help; basically if it ain't there u ain't gonna find it.The main advantages lie with machines that r good inland and on the beach, but it's all horses for courses. Best to find a machine u r comfy with and spend time in the field, good luck :)

Are you kidding me  :o  how the Geoff does a T2 give that signal....?

Jesus, it's become a freaking nightmare trying to find the middle road detector I could almost go tourette's on here!!!

LOL good fun ain't it Dusty ;D  (2+tones on the T2)
Well just to put the cat amongst the pigeons, I tested the gold with a Nautilus (1980's technology) and it sang out sweet as a nightingale. ::)
But I agree with all the above (other than the bit about annoying tones bit lol) the Deus and the GMP will in my view beat the Explorers hand down on ploughed and rolled in fact this is where any of the higher than 10kHz machines will score best.
If you look back at any of my posts I don't seriously knock any machines that are not an obvious rip off and as bajero has said any machine worth it's salt will find 99% the same amount of finds.
They all have there pro's and cons and to be quite honest the best set up would probably entail owning 3 machines to cover all eventualities.

I would wait a few months before deciding what detector to get

C-scope are bringing out two new machines in December i believe both will have interchangable  DD coils.

And Golden mask have a new machine even i will be buying  ;D

Jesus fecking Christ, in-between all this I'm also trying to quit the smoke and all I want now is a smoke, instead I'm gonna have a delicious 4mg Nicotinell and drink more JD  :'(   ;D

Serious now for a moment!

Throw this open.... what should I buy for a coin hunt, jewellery hunt, hammies hunt because I don't have a clue anymore...!!

I've been so bogged down with frequencies, coil sizes, depth, sensitivity etc I don't know where the [ insert your choice of naughty word ] i'm going with this.... one is totally confused!  :(

See even a new post MORE fecking choice.... sometimes it's not a good thing! relichunting have you any links to the new machines please pretty please.......

 ::) Listen to yourself when it come to buy a detector , i will take people feedback that's good but i will not listen to anyone or you will end up buying 10 detectors mate , just try to go and test few of them if you can that's  will be better for you mate , when  i upgraded my ace 250 to my explorer XS it was a big gambled but was my choice and still learning now but well its a machine for me and voila . good luck mate.Nap

Dusty i thought you had just bought a T2,you say its noisy,have you given it a proper chance ?

There is not a lot of information on the two new C-scopes i dont even know what frequencies they run at,the link below will show a picture and operating instructions of one of them the cs4mx

http://www.lovecpokladu.cz/navody/cscope/CS4MX%20Manual%20011.pdf (http://www.lovecpokladu.cz/navody/cscope/CS4MX%20Manual%20011.pdf)

The other C-Scope is called the cs6mx

As to the new Golden mask i am still getting info on it

oooh! I like the look of those C.Scope's and the 6 may have audio id,  that could be my new ploughed land machine ummm?

relichunting, I did have the T2 but sent it back as I thought it wasn't as described (I was very cheesed off about this) I did have an hour with it but Christ it doesn't half chatter even with no EMF (power cable etc near by) and despite my best efforts couldn't get it to run with minimal noise!?!

I'd like to support C-Scope...... UK manufactures I think?

Yes the new C-scopes look good Geoff,i think it all depends what frequencies they run at, if there 18Khz then they could turn out to be a very good machine indeed for ploughed land.

The other one to keep a close eye on is the Golden mask 4

Well the cs3mx runs at 17 kHz so they hopefully could be the same but with attitude ;D
Not to sure on the Goldenmask as I don't personally know anyone who has kept one for longer than a year, but I have to admit that I've never even held one. I know it's only party trick once again but this vid of the new GM4 is quite impressive :D
Golden Mask 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yy51ZzrK7o#ws)

Um that's no party trick, that's a recovery test,its nearly as fast as a Deus,I am a member on a Bulgarian forum,and im following this detector very closely  ;D

No it's a party trick, recovery speed is the recovery from discriminating a target. That is tonal id.

He is using Multi-tone discrimination in ALL METAL mode  ;D ok its a play on the tones either way i think its impressive,and would be great on iron contaminated ground

The Deus is even faster,and believe me thats no party trick as your in discrimination  ;D

I am going to hold out on getting a Golden mask to see what the new C-Scope cs6mx pans out like if its got the following features then it should be good

DD 11 coil

Tone Id

 iron volume

Just got off the phone from C-scope they wouldent give much information away but i found out the thing i wanted to hear

Both new machines will be 17Khz happy days

Well "iron volume" is an XP invented term, what you're actually doing is assigning a tone to a certain type of target, thus tone id.
Still waiting to hear more user feedback (after the honeymoon) about the Rutus too

Yep i was also looking at the Rutus but i hear it does not have a lot of depth so its off my tick list.

All i want is a back up to my Deus that will also perform well on pasture giving me a bit more depth than the Deus

Another link to C-scope 30cm on a 1 euro coin sounds good

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=cs&u=http://www.lovecpokladu.cz/home/setkani-hledacu-v-madarsku-a-premira-novych-detektoru-c-scope-cs4mx-a-cs6mx-5403&ei=odSnTszVOZKm8gPq_bSiDw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CHoQ7gEwBg&prev=/search%3Fq%3DC-Scope%2B%2Bcs6mx%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D583%26prmd%3Dimvns (http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=cs&u=http://www.lovecpokladu.cz/home/setkani-hledacu-v-madarsku-a-premira-novych-detektoru-c-scope-cs4mx-a-cs6mx-5403&ei=odSnTszVOZKm8gPq_bSiDw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CHoQ7gEwBg&prev=/search%3Fq%3DC-Scope%2B%2Bcs6mx%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D583%26prmd%3Dimvns)

Well if that's true then it isn't going to be high frequency, same way as the Rutus hasn't got depth because it's 19kHz, the laws of physics won't allow it.
Why are Cscope testing the new machines in eastern Europe? weird, Fieldmaster always used to do that.

The one I would love to get my hands on to try is the new Detech EDS, OK it's air testing again but stupid depths
http://www.detech-metaldetectors.com/ (http://www.detech-metaldetectors.com/)

It has a 10 inch coil opposed to an 8 inch on the rutus so may offer a bit more depth  ???

I have no idea why Cscope are testing the new machines in eastern Europe,when i phoned them this morning they were suprised to  hear the operating instructions for the cs4mx was on the internet

If i have the right information and the currrency convertor right then the price is £488 for the cs6mx

Detech EDS is another that could be good as long as it handles are ground conditions and runs stable it appears to be a Vista modle with a SEF coil

Vista modles have always looked cheap and nasty to me  ???

That's an excellent price if it's correct and should get some sales, It's about time that cscope re-entered the race with the big boys.
I think you've hit the nail on the head with ground conditions, with that sort of sensitivity on the EDS it must be prone to falsing on mineralised soil.

Decided to go for the F5 with a F75 coil.....