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« on: December 06, 2008, 11:06:38 AM »

I was in Peterchurch in the Golden Valley in Herefordshire last week , and it brought to mind a story I once read about this once famous and proud man. After he was beaten into submission he was freed (apparently) and went to live in the Golden Valley with his sister and died in obscurity, I just wondered whether anyone can throw some light on this. or possibly there may be a different story to be told?
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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2008, 11:47:12 AM »

I think hiis whereabouts can be found in either Machynlleth or Dolgellau or Corwen. I know I have been in a Welsh Parliament building some many years ago. My mind fails me  in old age, it could have been Owain Llewellyn..

I should know my history shouldn't I?
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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2008, 10:31:49 PM »

Charles Owain Glyndwr's parliament building is in Machynlleth,and is still a popular tourist attraction.Steve,Glyndwr was offered a pardon in 1412 but he would not accept it,and lived the rest of his live as a fugitive,he is thought to have died in 1416,at the home of one of his daughters at Monnington in Herefordshire but the exact location is un-known. Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2009, 11:32:19 PM »

I will check my books steve and let you know if i can find any more info.
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2009, 11:31:22 AM »

Thanks for that information Simon, any idea what the name of the house was in Monington and who she was married to? I know that they were tied in with the Mortimers at one point, but I am interested in following it up, will check out whether there is any further info around the Monington area, anything you could point towards would be great. Smiley

No name is so frequently invoked on Wales as that of Owain Glyndwr (c. 1349-1416), a potent figurehead of Welsh nationalism ever since he rose up against the occupying English in the first few years of the fifteenth century. Little is known about the man described in Shakespeare's Henry IV, Part I as "not in the roll of common men." There seems little doubt that the charismatic Owain fulfilled many of the mystical medieval prophecies about the rising up of the red dragon. He was of aristocratic stock and had a conventional upbringing, part of it in England of all places. His blue blood furthered his claim as Prince of Wales, being directly descended from the princes of Powys and Cyfeiliog, and as a result of his status, he learned English, studied in London and became a loyal, and distinguished, soldier of the English king, before returning to Wales and marrying.

Glyndwr was a member of the dynasty of northern Powys and, on his mother's side, descended from that of Deheubarth in the south. The family had fought for Llywelyn ap Gruffydd in the last war and regained their lands in north-east Wales only through a calculated association with the powerful Marcher lords of Chirk, Bromfield and Yale and the lesser family of Lestrange. They thus rooted themselves in the Welsh official class in the March and figured among its lesser nobility.

Glyndwr was comfortably placed. He held the lordships of Glyn Dyfrdwy and Cynllaith Owain near the Dee directly of the king by Welsh Barony. He had an income of some L200 a year and a fine moated mansion at Sycharth with tiles and chimneyed roofs, a deerpark, henory, fishpond and mill. He was a complete Marcher gentleman and had put in his term at the Inns of Court. He must have been knowledgeable in law; he married the daughter of Sir David Hanmer, (at present the name Sir John Hanmer holds land around Wrexham, particularly at Hanmer in Flintshire detatched )   a distinguished lawyer who had served under Edward III and Richard II. He had served in the wars and retinues of Henry of Lancaster and the earl of Arundel, and served with distinction in the Scottish campaign of 1385.

But he was more than a Marcher. He was one of the living representatives of the old royal houses of Wales, an heir to Cadwaladr, in a Wales strewn with the rubble of such dynasties. Wales in the late 14th century was a turbulent place. The brutal savaging of Llywelyn the Last and Edward I's stringent policies of subordinating Wales had left a discontented, cowed nation where any signs of rebellion were sure to attract support. In 1399-1400 Glyn Dwr ran up against his powerful neighbor, Reginald de Grey, Lord of Ruthin, an intimate of the new king, Henry IV. The quarrel was over common land which Grey had stolen. Glyndwr could get no justice from the king or parliament. This proud man, over forty and grey-haired, was visited with insult and malice. There are indications that Glyndwr made an effort to contact other disaffected Welshmen, and when he raised his standard outside Ruthin on 16 September 1400, his followers from the very beginning proclaimed him Prince of Wales.

The response was startling and may have even startled Glyndwr himself. Supported by the Hanmers, other Norman-Welsh Marchers and the Dean of St Asaph, he attacked Ruthin with several hundred men and went on to savage every town on north-east Wales. There was an immediate response from Oxford, where Welsh scholars at once dropped their books and flocked home. Even more dramatic was the news that Welsh laborers in England were downing their tools and heading for home. The English Parliament at once rushed ferociously anti-Welsh legislation on to the books. Henry IV marched a big army right across north Wales, burning and looting without mercy. Whole populations scrambled to make their peace. Over the Winter, Glyndwr, with only seven men, took to the hills.

But in the spring of 1401 as the Tudors snatched Conwy Castle by a trick, Owain's little band moved into the centre and the south. Once more, popular insurrection broke around them, and hundreds ran to join the rebellion. It was during 1401 that Glyndwr became aware of the growing power of the rebellion as men of higher rank began to defect to the cause. In his letters to south Wales he declared himself the liberator appointed by God to deliver the Welsh race from their oppressors. The English king, Henry IV, despatched troops and rapidly drew up a range of severely punitive laws against the Welsh, even outlawing Welsh-language bards and singers. Battles continued to rage, with Glyndwr capturing Edmund Mortimer, the earl of March, in Pilleth in June 1402. By the end of 1403, Glyndwr controlled most of Wales.

The twelve-year war which ensued was, for the English, largely a matter of relieving their isolated castles. Expedition after expedition was beaten bootless back. Henry IV, beset by Welsh, Scots, French and rebellious barons, sent in army after army, some of them huge, all of them futile; he never really got to grips with it and the revolt largely wore itself out, in a small country blasted, burned and exhausted beyond the limit of endurance. For the Welsh, it was a Marcher rebellion and a peasant's revolt which grew into a national guerrilla war. The sheer tenacity of the rebellion is startling. Few revolts in contemporary Europe lasted more than some months; no previous Welsh war had lasted much longer. This one raged in undiminished fury for ten years and did not really end for fifteen.

In 1404, Glyndwr assembled a parliament of four men from every commot in Wales at Machynlleth, drawing up mutual recognition treaties with France and Spain. At Machynlleth, he was also crowned king of a free Wales. A second parliament in Harlech took place a year later, with Glyndwr making plans to carve up England and Wales into three, as part of an alliance against the English king: Mortimer would take the south and west of England, Thomas Percy, earl of Northumberland, would have the midlands and the north, and himself Wales and the Marches of England. The English army, however, concentrated with increased vigor on destroying the Welsh uprising, and the Tripart Indenture was never realized


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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2009, 02:06:38 PM »

Thanks for posting that Charles, I believe his demise came about in one of the welsh castles, it was laid siege to and they had to resort to eating rats! The one daughter of his was married to a Mortimer after the battle of Pilleth and she died when the castle was besieged. He actually led a little sortie to Weobley (after "sacking" the castle at New Radnor) and set fire to the church for some reason. I believe that he did have a raw deal but think it was very sad that he disappeared and there is no recognition of his ultimate resting place (as with Llewellyn the Last). Maybe the burial spots weren't advertised due to the possibility of being dug up and made a spectacle of?
This sort of thing still goes on. Goering, he Nazi Reich Marshal was scattered all ove the place when he was cremated to stop being worshiped.
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