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Title: Probate hearing today for the ring I found last August . . .
Post by: Neil on April 01, 2009, 06:33:11 PM
Evening one and all.

I attended Cathays Police station for the Probate Hearing regarding the ring I found last August 2008. A very interesting day, and it was great to see the process first hand. I was also given the opportunity to question Dr Mark Redknap whilst under oath regarding the ring. He had however done a fine job describing it and certainly done his research on it - what a nice chap. He was willing to speak to me as long as I wanted regarding the ring, and thanked me for declaring it.

The results.
The ring is dated to 1500AD - 1550AD and consists of 96% silver and 4% copper, with a 22ct gold gilt applied. He can date it so accurately as a very similar comparison was found when they excavated the Mary Rose which sank in 1542, and as we all know that was Henry VIII's favourite ship. The ring from the Mary Rose was badly corroded having been on the seabed for 450 years, but very similar in design.

To date it is the only ring of this style that has been found in Wales and would have belonged to a Middle to Upper Class gentlemen, possibly a marriage ring or just an item of jewellery. The Museum of Wales have already expressed an interest in wishing to purchase it as they have nothing comparible in their collection. Mark assured me that it would be displayed and not just locked away somewhere, as it is in theory it is the only example of this style.

It was declared Treasure at the end of the hearing and is now scheduled to go to the British Museum for a valuation. It does have a hairline crack in it which may slightly effect value, but is repairable. I will keep you updated on the outcome.

For me it is a personal success story and I really glad the ring is likely to stay in Wales. It also marks the first Declarable item that myself and my detecting buddies (Mark and Jaydogg) have found in our 3 years as partners - so as you can imagine we are pretty pleased.

There were two other items declared treasure, which I will elaborate on tomorrow when I have my notes (they are in work) - if you are the finder of one of these items and reading this then it is a historic and important find, and don't worry I will keep your name and the location out of it.

Cheers all - A very happy
Neil



Title: Re: Probate hearing today for the ring I found last August . . .
Post by: Al.Thepastfinder, ( Alan ) on April 01, 2009, 06:43:09 PM
wow, well done Neil,  congratulations ,  bet it was an experience down there hey


Title: Re: Probate hearing today for the ring I found last August . . .
Post by: simon c on April 01, 2009, 07:21:31 PM
Congratulations Neil, stunning ring that.It is an interesting process,and a great feeling to know that it will be displayed where it will be seen by millions for years to come,well done a great result. :)


Title: Re: Probate hearing today for the ring I found last August . . .
Post by: Tafflaff (Rob) on April 01, 2009, 07:38:40 PM
Hey I'm sure I lost that ring about 500 years ago  :-\ ...... Nice find Neil , Any chance of them speeding up the whole process?


Title: Re: Probate hearing today for the ring I found last August . . .
Post by: Richy on April 01, 2009, 07:55:44 PM
Well done Neil mate, I bet you're chuffed to bits. :) :)

Richy.


Title: Re: Probate hearing today for the ring I found last August . . .
Post by: coleggwent(phil) on April 01, 2009, 08:03:47 PM
well found neil wat great condition for 500 + years ;)


Title: Re: Probate hearing today for the ring I found last August . . .
Post by: Nick on April 01, 2009, 09:03:57 PM
Fabulous condition Neil, Bet that got the old ticker going !


Title: Re: Probate hearing today for the ring I found last August . . .
Post by: bymatt666 (byron) on April 01, 2009, 10:03:20 PM
great find neil and i wish you well with the outcome.....i should imagine it was a great experience to see our legal system in progress..... ;).....byron


Title: Re: Probate hearing today for the ring I found last August . . .
Post by: Stig(The) on April 01, 2009, 10:24:17 PM
Tidy Butt!!!!


Title: Re: Probate hearing today for the ring I found last August . . .
Post by: DIGGA on April 01, 2009, 10:48:10 PM
WOW  WHAT A FIND  CONGRATS NIEL  YOU SHOULD BE VERY PROUD MATE ..........  BEAUTIFULL RING  AND FANTASTIC  CONDITION   WELL DONE


Title: Re: Probate hearing today for the ring I found last August . . .
Post by: PHIL YNYSBOETH on April 01, 2009, 11:25:09 PM
Beautiful Ring Neil bet your proud of that little  beauty


all the best phil


Title: Re: Probate hearing today for the ring I found last August . . .
Post by: yankee on April 02, 2009, 11:21:29 AM
Wonderful news about your find! I only wish my state worked the way your government worked! Here under the new Metal detecting law we cant even use our detectors on state owned land. If they catch us doing so they take your detector away along with your auto and fine you $10,000. Here they want the items to rot away in the ground never to be studied!. Under the law anything 50 years or older found on state property is now a relic and has to be turned in. I am 51 years old I guess that makes me a relic too!. And just today our government started taxing us 2000% on tobacco yes, that figure is correct 2000%!. So much for the promise our new president made "I wont raise any taxes I promise". A carton of cigarettes here in the U.S. as of today now cost enough to buy a diamond ring for your wife!. Sorry about the rave but I smoke!


Title: Re: Probate hearing today for the ring I found last August . . .
Post by: Jeffc on April 02, 2009, 09:13:25 PM
Nice to get that sorted,Neil - if it has to go then it would be great to see it on display. It turned out a bit older than we thought when we first saw it!


Title: Re: Probate hearing today for the ring I found last August . . .
Post by: bymatt666 (byron) on April 02, 2009, 09:31:27 PM
neil..i seen a write up about the ring in tonights echo...nice pic too...but no mention of the finder/s...was that by choice?..were you involved with the report?....well done again.. ;)....byron


Title: Re: Probate hearing today for the ring I found last August . . .
Post by: mole on April 02, 2009, 11:41:33 PM
Great find neil  ;D would,nt mind one myself  :o mole


Title: Re: Probate hearing today for the ring I found last August . . .
Post by: Neil on April 03, 2009, 07:42:51 AM
Thanks everyone.

Byron I asked them not to publish the farm name, although it is read out in court.

I always had a feeling it had a bit of age to it.

Cheers
Neil


Title: Re: Probate hearing today for the ring I found last August . . .
Post by: hedgehog on April 03, 2009, 09:53:36 AM
Nice one Neil , was just wondering if there would have been enammeling in it at one point? It is a nice feeling that when you are long gone you will be part of the history as the finder.


Title: Re: Probate hearing today for the ring I found last August . . .
Post by: Richy on April 03, 2009, 11:44:37 AM
You'd think that if an object was declared treasure trove the court would have more sense than to read out the location of the find.

I remember a post quite recently on another forum where  local journalists attended an inquest and the next day an article appeared in the press giving the name of the farmer and his farm where the find was made. If this isn't inviting a visit from nighthawks I don't know what is. Silly people!! :(

Richy.


Title: Re: Probate hearing today for the ring I found last August . . .
Post by: Kev on April 03, 2009, 02:16:18 PM
bet you are really proud Neil, that is a lovely ring m8, and the age of it great condition as well, slitly of the subject if you sell it perhaps you could buy a top striker for Cardiff m8 ha ha only joking Neil.well done again m8 pleased for you .


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