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Your forum is been watched  :o

Rallies are been cancelled

Is it not time to lock the forum down so it can only be viewed by members only? 

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Lets have a few more comments please

Locking the forum would achieve nothing apart from increasing the amount of members joining this site. If anyone wished to read the forum all they would need to do is join which takes around 1 minute to do.

We have nearly 20 million hits on this site to date, the traffic is phenomenal for such a small hobby.

So are you going to continuing to publish rallies for general viewing
 
Surly we can have a rallies news section that can only be accessed by members only.

Its not just the so called archaeologist the vexatious blogger with incredibly itchy underpants  there are other archaeologist that are now warning farmers off against metal detecting

he.s nucking futs he is.lol..if you ignore him he may go away..i love people who are more interested in what other people are doing..rather than what they are doing themselves..

We certainly will be continuing as we have done for many years - that's not going to change.

If you are still referring to the the cancellation of the two day rally, it would appear to have nothing to do with any archaeologists or anyone else for that matter. That's the end of it really.

It happens, and we just move on.

Neil

To prevent third party interference, I think that all you can do is give out the barest of details until the night before and maybe warn the farmer that someone is making up malicious rumours to prevent rallies happening. Tell them if anyone contacts them with this in mind to contact DW immediately with the contact number of the person who rang (provided it hasn't been withheld)

I don't get to go to many rallies because of other commitments, but would be as gutted as you all are if one I was to attend was cancelled because of spite from a third party.

You are sooooooo behind the times lol. DW has been mentioned by him on many occasions over the years, hell he even started a new blogspot to make us feel special :D
The rally cancellation was nothing to do with anybody or anything other than the future plans of the landowner to take advantage of the higher stewardship scheme. No conspiracy, no underhand dealings.
DW rallies are a bonus of the forum and therefore secondary to it's main attraction of being a easily accessible and friendly forum.
Metal detecting is just a "hobby", no different to stamp collecting or (in the public view) trainspotting, the only difference is that we have a certain minority who can and do cause damage to the historic record. With 12000 practitioners the thought of pandering to one man and a handful of his followers who are ridiculed, even by establishment they "wish" to be seen as serving is just paranoia gone mad. DW is a strong advocate of responsible detecting but without fascist censorship.
If you're worried about the bogeyman under the bed.........don't look under the bed ;)

personally, i'm really pleased that the forum has been viewed by over 20 million hits! It's a great example of a succesful interractive forum

Its a superb demonstration of how the Welsh can lead the way!. 

Geoff your are sooooooo behind the times  :D

Why was the Acorn rally cancelled  ???

Answer outside interference by a stuck up county archaeologist intent on destroying are hobby  

What's that got to do with DW ???

My god your hard work  ???

Outside interference and archaeologists intent on destroying are hobby are viewing the DW forum.

If they can get your rallies cancelled they will do what ever they can to do so 

Unfortunately, when somebody wants to spout drivel, theres nothing anybody can
do, whether D W is an open or closed forum. Locking down the forum only adds fuel  for
the conspirators, who have nothing better to do.

"IF"
I'm sorry but that paranoia and mistrust has divided archaeologists and detectorists for decades, here in Somerset the two have a very good working relationship and so "rumours" to the contrary aren't really welcome and are just trying to stir things for no reason.
Archaeologists don't go around trying to cancel digs just to ruin our day (if at all) if they do then it's with good reason.

Spot on Geoff, you talk a lot of sense. Think this thread should be taken down.

I think that an open forum is helping to highlight that there are responsible and honest people involved in the hobby as its not just about profit some really are interested in history and archaeology   I wonder if time team are quaking in their boots incase they lose the right to hold digs  they have A bigger following than DETECTING WALES if it wasn't for sites like the detecting wales how many members would have struggled and given up or been like me ;) detecting 90% of the time on there own (my choice I love my own company ;D ;D ) the rallies are A great idea for them who use them to meet  others and see finds that some (me ;D) can only dream of finding and also give access to places that some would never have  ;)

Just because you have a good working relationship with archaeologists in Somerset does not mean that applies to all other parts of the country  ???

Its no rumour whey the Cotsworld rally was cancelled and there was no good reason for it either.

It seems any negative comments about archaeologists are not really welcome by you personally  ???

This is a free world and people are allowed opinions believe it or not  

Dont forget relichunter, we go a step further than leaving the site open. We actually invite archaeologists to our digs. If the archaeology community wish to know where our digs are , they only need ask the local FLO as they always get an invite.

Time team are supposed to be archaeologists why would they be are quaking in their boots in case they lose the right to hold digs ?

Detecting Wales is a good forum and is full of responsible and honest people

Rob inviting the local FLO is the responsible thing to do I agree

But its time to start protecting the rallies by not publishing the area weeks in advance so some of the rouge elements in archaeology and there are some, can not interfere.   

But you started the thread regarding DW and the cancelled two day rally? If you can't see why the Cirencester rally may have been cancelled then you really haven't done your research on the land involved :-\
I am the first to criticise archaeologists if it's due, I was involved in the ant-stop campaign in Bristol back in the 80's so I come from a time and remember just how divided the two sides were and how close we came to losing the hobby.
We have come a long way since then and through cooperation and education times, thankfully, have changed. At the end of the day Archaeologists are the professionals and have a job to do, we on the other hand are hobbyists and while we can be of immense help, we can also do a massive amount of damage.

Well I do agree that the area being advertised to village level was a mistake and will no longer happen. From now on when a rally is announced it will be advertised with a larger catchment area and farm specifics will not be given out.

Now your getting paranoid ;D ;D ;D

Geoff no one is paranoid

But you started the thread regarding DW and the cancelled two day rally?

No I didn't  ???

Your forum is been watched, I am trying to warn you of what is happening

If certain trouble makers and certain archaeologists read that DW are holding a rally there is nothing stopping them contacting the farm in question and trying there best to get it stopped.

Ok the Cirencester rally there was no reason for it to be cancelled other than a county archaeologist intent on trying to stop metal detecting for good, I only wish I could name and shame the person, but I will not sink to there level.

Yes it was a good area but was in no way scheduled

It was on ploughed land were finds and what possible archaeology are been destroyed by the plough every year

How can do a massive amount of damage been hobbyists ?  

 I agree with congerman  there are responsible and honest people involved in our hobby as its not just about profit some really are passionate about history and archaeology I personally respect archaeologists but DO NOT think they have any special right over sites that are not scheduled they seem to be fixated on the muppets of our hobby and not us genuine folk

Well first, yes if it were on ploughed land then you are right in that damage would have been minimal if any especially as there was to be an FLO present I think this is one area where "they" need educating in that there seems to be the mistaken belief that modern detectors can find things feet deep rather than the inches they actually do, this isn't helped by the adverts by machine manufacturers promising super depths.
But as to what damage we "can" do, it's two fold, I was at an archaeological dig several years ago on the Dorset border and when the top soil had been removed the Roman floor layer had small dark spots all over it, these were where detectorists had removed items leaving only the mixed topsoil dots to show where things had been, granted this was an hillside location with only a few inches of topsoil but the damage was there for all to see.
Secondly.. I along with Taff have managed to put three Romano British farmsteads/settlements on the HER for Somerset, now two of these sites have been detected by a local club for over 20 years and in that time not one item has been recorded for them, had this continued then all evidence of their existence could have been lost forever.

Well all I can say is that local club that detected 2 of the sites for over 20 years without reporting one single item should be ashamed of them self's.  ::)

I can see your point about the Roman floor but how did the archaeologists discover it in the first place, was it because responsible detectorists were reporting finds from the area?

I am not against archaeologists I have a keen interest in are past. I began detecting back in the early 80os and took O level archaeology at school

So that probably makes me better qualified than Paul Bartford  ;D 

Hi guys.... Wally here!

Ooops poor joke, but yes, having researched the infiltrators work, there is absolutely nothing to be seen regarding his qualifications in archaeology, so in all honesty, we can conclude that he is a fake and should therefore be totally ignored.
 

the vexatious blogger with incredibly itchy underpants certainly has not got many friends or respect in the archaeology world,or any were for that matter

No one takes him seriously and he really needs psychiatric help because he is soft in the head and  talks absoulute nonsense

Never ignore a fool. There are always other fools who will believe them

An ignorant fool indeed, who really has no idea of the repercussions of his wet dream.

Regardless of your opinions - keep it clean guys.

If this post continues to focus on the same person it will be locked.

Neil

at the end of the day archaeologists get paid by you to dig holes and tell you something new.
they do not have the right to dig were they like and are public servants paid by the public if your not happy say a dig they are on is the money spent on that dig reflective of the information that may be gatherd from the dig is it worth it?
well you could say we dont know if its worth it until we dig it so you must have an idea that its this or could be that in the first place.
i think your kids going to school and your rubbish taken away each week/fourtnight etc etc is more inportant than people who sometimes get far to big for there muddy boots.

I look through various forums and the amount of finds that are shown on them are greatly in excess of the ones recorded to the PAS. If more people recorded their finds it would build up better relations with the archaeologists. It's a painless process and would probably give the finders a greater knowledge of their artefacts etc and might help to get rid of the them and us bickering that goes on.

 ;D ;D and they say detecting is relaxing  ;D ,way to much paranoia about ,, just get on with digging holes and enjoy the hobby for what it is ,, a hobby,,stop worrying about cancelled rallys and cloak and dagger English polish geezers.

I remember the early days of N.C.M.D.when those brave souls fought to keep the hobby alive and without them there would be no hobby.....Southern Ireland had banned metal; detecting and alot of Arklies wanted the hobby banned or at least licensed...It was close run thing and i met alot of the original National Council members who worked really hard to keep the hobby alive...We must be open in everything we do and challenge the lies thrown at us by wannabee experts whose knowledge comes out of a book..Be proud of the effort  you put in to fill the gaps in our history.. :)

Mr the vexatious blogger with incredibly itchy underpants  :-\ has his own opinion and by closing the availability to see what rallies are being arranged would only fall prey to other threads and comments.
Our Hobby has literally unearthed new areas of archaeology for our country to re evaluate OUR history.
I have had a run in before with Mr the vexatious blogger with incredibly itchy underpants before, and proved him wrong in detecting on pasture land which was ear marked for wind farm development, which is now being researched regarding  a long house and plough and furrows in a otherwise unknown location relating to this activity. Freedom of speech is open to all, but the cattle leave their own calling cards.
Well stated Rob.