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Title: repaired charles 1 unite on the bay (vf) ???
Post by: galoshers on June 08, 2014, 09:24:40 PM
1637 A.D King Charles I England Stuart Period Hammered Au Gold Unite Coin.VF
Scarce issue - SUN Mint mark - Finest state

looks like a piece has been soldered in to repair it

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1637-A-D-King-Charles-I-England-Stuart-Period-Hammered-Au-Gold-Unite-Coin-VF-/141302859236?pt=UK_Coins_BritishHammered_RL&hash=item20e64e85e4 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1637-A-D-King-Charles-I-England-Stuart-Period-Hammered-Au-Gold-Unite-Coin-VF-/141302859236?pt=UK_Coins_BritishHammered_RL&hash=item20e64e85e4)


Title: Re: repaired charles 1 unite on the bay (vf) ???
Post by: Dale on June 08, 2014, 09:28:07 PM
Iv been watching it and your right it is a scarce issue, it was obviously once mounted, with a very poor repair job !! it should be 22ct but looks like they used 9ct even rose gold 


Title: Re: repaired charles 1 unite on the bay (vf) ???
Post by: galoshers on June 09, 2014, 08:49:53 AM
yep a clumsy mess of a repair and they call it VF ??it could be done again and a better job done on the mlssing piece

sold for 701


Title: Re: repaired charles 1 unite on the bay (vf) ???
Post by: probono on June 09, 2014, 12:13:08 PM
Well, it was sold by Saxbys, who have a somewhat interesting sales habit.

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Title: Re: repaired charles 1 unite on the bay (vf) ???
Post by: galoshers on June 09, 2014, 12:27:57 PM
yes very intresting

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=72874.0;wap2 (http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=72874.0;wap2)

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=90844.5;wap2 (http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=90844.5;wap2)


Title: Re: repaired charles 1 unite on the bay (vf) ???
Post by: galoshers on June 09, 2014, 02:49:02 PM
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=94044.0 (http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=94044.0)


Title: Re: repaired charles 1 unite on the bay (vf) ???
Post by: proconsul on June 09, 2014, 04:09:48 PM
I appreciate you're bringing attention to practices that you consider questionable, chaps, but please try not to stray into the realm of libel.

Geoff


Title: Re: repaired charles 1 unite on the bay (vf) ???
Post by: Dale on June 09, 2014, 06:52:01 PM
yep a clumsy mess of a repair and they call it VF ??it could be done again and a better job done on the mlssing piece

sold for 701

Its funny I was chatting to a friend about this coin before it finished, he said it would be worth a bid if it doesn't go two high as it books over £1000 in F (but it went to high as it would be around the £300 mark to repair!) ...... My mate once had a rare Bristol half groat plugged what cost him £100 but it was a very good job, its not surprising as he does work for the BM.
The plugged half groat has been listed on EBay lately, but not at the moment.


Title: Re: repaired charles 1 unite on the bay (vf) ???
Post by: Dale on June 09, 2014, 07:09:20 PM
This is the plugged half groat, the plug is in the field to the left of the BR monogram.......


Title: Re: repaired charles 1 unite on the bay (vf) ???
Post by: galoshers on June 09, 2014, 07:26:24 PM
the top man Mr ian Macintyre from the BM died a few years back ,shame


Title: Re: repaired charles 1 unite on the bay (vf) ???
Post by: Dale on June 09, 2014, 07:36:20 PM
the top man Mr ian Macintyre from the BM died a few years back ,shame

Im not sure of his name?


Title: Re: repaired charles 1 unite on the bay (vf) ???
Post by: Dale on June 21, 2014, 07:49:28 AM
It looks like the Unite has been relisted.


Title: Re: repaired charles 1 unite on the bay (vf) ???
Post by: probono on June 21, 2014, 02:26:28 PM
It looks like the Unite has been relisted.

Yes, I noticed that. There are a number of reasons for that, but I'm sure they could be guessed...


Title: Re: repaired charles 1 unite on the bay (vf) ???
Post by: galoshers on June 26, 2014, 06:10:37 PM
now up to 600 and 3 other unites all listed too and a triple unite at 60,000 !!


Title: Re: repaired charles 1 unite on the bay (vf) ???
Post by: Dale on June 26, 2014, 09:05:51 PM
now up to 600 and 3 other unites all listed too and a triple unite at 60,000 !!

Galoshers the James 1st sold at London auctions on the 1/6/14 for £800 - commission with the eBay fees there is very little in it.

The best one at the moment is AMR coins priced at £750 high grade but week portrait ex jewellery.......Im sure there's a few £'s in it if sold on eBay.  


Title: Re: repaired charles 1 unite on the bay (vf) ???
Post by: Pablo on June 26, 2014, 11:08:58 PM
hi guys
I'm coin and antique collector. I've checked that saxbys-coins guy and I have to say that this person is a fraudster. He should be reported to police. Many of his coins and other items are fakes. I have few accounts on ebay. I'm going to win couple of of his low priced auctions and leave him negative feedbacks. That is true ebay is not going to do anything to that person he is paying a lot of fees to them.  police will ask questions to him (for example where did he get all his items, they will ask him about invoices, recipts)
"8. What happens if counterfeit goods are found?

It is the responsibility of the trader to take all reasonable precautions to avoid having counterfeit products for sale on his premises.

Contravention may result in prosecution for offences under the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, Trade Marks Act or Copyright, Design and Patents Act. Fines of up to £5000 can be imposed in the Magistrates' Court and/or imprisonment for up to six months. Unlimited fines may be imposed by the Crown Court with up to ten years imprisonment for Trade Marks offences.

Forfeiture and destruction of all goods seized may be ordered by the Courts.
Fraud Act - in appropriate cases prosecution for fraud may be appropriate.
Under copyright legislation a copyright owner may also sue for damages in the civil courts.
Proceeds of crime – assets acquired from criminal activity can be confiscated by the courts.
Enforcers may take civil enforcement action in respect of a breach of the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 under Part 8 of the Enterprise Act 2002. This can be done by applying to a court for an enforcement order and a breach of any order could lead to up to two years imprisonment and/or an unlimited fine.
The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 also contains criminal offences, which can be prosecuted by the Office of Fair Trading (OFT) or Trading Standards. The penalties are on summary conviction, a fine of up to £5000 or in the Crown court an unlimited fine or imprisonment for up to two years, or both."


Title: Re: repaired charles 1 unite on the bay (vf) ???
Post by: Pablo on June 26, 2014, 11:17:59 PM
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/800-950-A-D-British-Found-Anglo-Saxon-Period-Au-Solid-Gold-amp-Red-Garnet-Cross-/351057537318?pt=UK_Antiquities&hash=item51bca8e926&nma=true&si=rSmoYSZjlkerck9n1ozY6hKqnYg%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/800-950-A-D-British-Found-Anglo-Saxon-Period-Au-Solid-Gold-amp-Red-Garnet-Cross-/351057537318?pt=UK_Antiquities&hash=item51bca8e926&nma=true&si=rSmoYSZjlkerck9n1ozY6hKqnYg%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)

Look at this. This kind of items should have some kind of certificate.
On closer look it looks like replica. Check that garnet in the centre. That stone looks like new (no damages at all)
sold for over £2000 are you kidding me!


http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&_ssn=saxbys-coins&_sop=16 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&_ssn=saxbys-coins&_sop=16)

check his most expensive items sold within few months (so many fakes :-)


Title: Re: repaired charles 1 unite on the bay (vf) ???
Post by: Pablo on June 26, 2014, 11:27:44 PM
http://paul-the vexatious blogger with incredibly itchy underpants.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/ebay-reportedly-agree-to-suspend.html (http://paul-the vexatious blogger with incredibly itchy underpants.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/ebay-reportedly-agree-to-suspend.html)

ebay is not allowing to sell egyptian antiques, but this idiot is selling a lot of them. Off course all of them are fakes


Title: Re: repaired charles 1 unite on the bay (vf) ???
Post by: probono on June 27, 2014, 01:57:46 PM
now up to 600 and 3 other unites all listed too and a triple unite at 60,000 !!

Galoshers the James 1st sold at London auctions on the 1/6/14 for £800 - commission with the eBay fees there is very little in it.

The best one at the moment is AMR coins priced at £750 high grade but week portrait ex jewellery.......Im sure there's a few £'s in it if sold on eBay.  

You might see that the ones over £1000 don't sell on eBay - the price of these (often) lovely coins rocketed up with the price of Gold and are now at a level that is a bit too much really - given that a few years ago you could pick them up for under £500 (still can occasionally). - and that's those without piercings (or otherwise) or ex mount. Problem is that there's no inflation to bring the 'value' of them down to something I want to afford at the moment :( Will just have to keep detecting :)


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