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Title: an interesting one/two - can u help? Post by: handyman [Alan} on June 13, 2010, 11:07:01 AM hi peter.
here's a few to get your teeth into. a pewter type, foot shaped wotsit, with pattern and a button with crown and what looks like C I V underneath. all help appreciated. cheers Title: Re: an interesting one/two - can u help? Post by: geordiefred on June 13, 2010, 03:33:17 PM The pewter one looks like the stock of a toy gun ;)
Title: Re: an interesting one/two - can u help? Post by: silky on June 13, 2010, 04:44:28 PM i'll go along with fred looks like a toy rifle ,sorry cant help with button .well done 8)
Title: Re: an interesting one/two - can u help? Post by: Neil on June 13, 2010, 05:28:24 PM Well done Alan
I agree with the toy rifle stock - well spotted. The button I think is a Civil Defence one - WWII era Nice finds Neil Title: Re: an interesting one/two - can u help? Post by: Roman (Ray) on June 13, 2010, 05:33:28 PM NICE FINDS HANDYMAN WELLDONE BUTTY..GREAT STUFF.
RAY. Title: Re: an interesting one/two - can u help? Post by: Chef Geoff on June 13, 2010, 06:01:44 PM Nice finds Alan, It does look part of a toy gun and the crown on the button looks to early for civil defence, more 19thC. Try looking for the 104th Regiment of Foot,
Title: Re: an interesting one/two - can u help? Post by: handyman [Alan} on June 13, 2010, 08:56:25 PM wow guys -- thnaks for the help, now you mention it, it certainly looks like the stock of a toy gun, i'm amazed that they produced such superb designs on them though.
thx geoff, for the info re the crown, an initial search suggested it could be something to do with the City Imperial volunteers, for the Boer war. i was wondering if you have any further leads/websites/links that could point me in the direction of where to go to find out more about this button. cheers & thx all for helping out with the ID. Title: Re: an interesting one/two - can u help? Post by: The Doc on June 13, 2010, 09:01:22 PM Interesting finds Alan. Looks like my work has been done by Geoff ;)
Title: Re: an interesting one/two - can u help? Post by: handyman [Alan} on June 13, 2010, 09:02:52 PM thx peter for taking the time to research the finds.
much appreciated indeed. cheers alan Title: Re: an interesting one/two - can u help? Post by: Chef Geoff on June 14, 2010, 03:44:02 AM Interesting finds Alan. Looks like my work has been done by Geoff ;) Now I feel guilty :-\ Title: Re: an interesting one/two - can u help? Post by: Chef Geoff on June 16, 2010, 03:12:58 PM Well Alan we may have to eat our words, I have just found this on the Colchester treasure hunting page and it's marked as a "Bowl leg"
Title: Re: an interesting one/two - can u help? Post by: handyman [Alan} on June 16, 2010, 04:19:41 PM Hi geoff
thats very interesting indeed. i have been researching lace chapes, but i'm now fairly certain that the object doesn't fit into that category. the concept of toy gun barrel is a good one, but it seems the missing bit makes the stock handle upside down, when fitted. a bowl leg, is a strong possibility, as many pots came straight out of the 'fire' onto the table. they needed something to rest on ... this decorated bowl leg could be one of 3, designed to support such a bowl. the jury is still out, but its a very interesting find. thanls for bringing the link to my attention Geoff. look forward to seeing you at the next rally, cheers Alan Title: Re: an interesting one/two - can u help? Post by: Chef Geoff on June 16, 2010, 05:40:26 PM No Alan, forget oven wear. think wire frame that a glass bowl sits in. More like an ornate fruit bowl stand.
The gun idea is good one still, but you've got the wrong idea again it's not the barrel, it's the stock. Title: Re: an interesting one/two - can u help? Post by: geordiefred on June 16, 2010, 07:09:40 PM my money is still on it being the stock of a toy rifle, you can see a groove on the right hand side for the bolt action ;)
Title: Re: an interesting one/two - can u help? Post by: handyman [Alan} on June 16, 2010, 07:24:34 PM some interesting thoughts to consider.
thanks guys, it is appreciated. cheers alan Title: Re: an interesting one/two - can u help? Post by: Trys on June 16, 2010, 09:26:50 PM I agree, it's a stock from a toy gun - found one like it last year ;)
Title: Re: an interesting one/two - can u help? Post by: saxonman on June 16, 2010, 09:37:28 PM DEF A TOY GUN TINKS 17OOS.THEY ACTUALLY FIRED THATS WHY YOU FIND A LOT OF THEM IN BITS.....MANY A CHILD GOT HURT USEING THESE SO CALLED TOY GUNS...NORMALLY YOU WOULD FIND THEM IN FIELDS IN FRONT OF MANSIONS...OR LARGE FARMS....
Title: Re: an interesting one/two - can u help? Post by: handyman [Alan} on June 17, 2010, 06:28:51 AM thanks for your input guys, much appreciated indeed. it was found on a large farm, but miles away from any farmhouse.
saxonman - i'm interested in how the date is arrived at - do u have any links to websites that i can follow up please? cheers happy hunting Title: Re: an interesting one/two - can u help? Post by: Techony on June 17, 2010, 06:49:32 AM Hi Alan,
I think I've found it c1890-1910... http://www.finds.org.uk/database/artefacts/record/id/274676 (http://www.finds.org.uk/database/artefacts/record/id/274676) Title: Re: an interesting one/two - can u help? Post by: Chef Geoff on June 17, 2010, 07:45:00 AM The date of 1890-1910 is based on them being sold by Gamage of London, to be sure you would have to get hold of an old catalogue of theirs (yes they still exist around the place).
Saxonman.... these fired matchsticks, it is the small toy cannons that actually used gun powder. Title: Re: an interesting one/two - can u help? Post by: Al.Thepastfinder, ( Alan ) on June 17, 2010, 08:33:32 AM arrrr we had some that fired matchsticks when i was young, had a lot of fun with it,
found a plastic gun down the beach the the other day, noticed later that it should shoot something out, i went back tuesday and found the missing very soft plastic dart that has a soft sucker on the end, the grandkids are happy with it lol. Alan Title: Re: an interesting one/two - can u help? Post by: saxonman on June 17, 2010, 06:00:19 PM WE HAD A RARE RALLY ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO,SOME ONE THEN TOLD ME THEY ARE GEORGEN.CANT PROVE IT BUT THEY LOOK GEORGENISH...CHEF....WE FOUND ABOUT SIX BROKEN GUNS THAT DAY AND IT WAS A VERY LARGE FARM..INTERESTING ABOUT FIREING MATCH STICKS?...GWIL.,
Title: Re: an interesting one/two - can u help? Post by: saxonman on June 17, 2010, 06:17:49 PM WHAT I CAN REMEMBER IS THAT SOME OF THEM HAD BURN AND MELT MARKS AROUND THE FIREING PIN.IT MAKES SENSE NOT TO USE PEWTER WITH BLACK POWDER AS IT IS LEAD ALLOY....BUT?????????????KIDS......
Title: Re: an interesting one/two - can u help? Post by: handyman [Alan} on June 17, 2010, 07:27:24 PM thanks for input guys.
i well recall the matchstick toy guns, i had great fun with toy cannons, which fired matchsticks, ...i well recall pestering my dad for his used matchsticks. cheers Title: Re: an interesting one/two - can u help? Post by: Jonola (Jon) on June 23, 2010, 04:16:32 AM A button with crown and what looks like C I V underneath.
all help appreciated. Could be the City Imperial volunteers? I believe they wore a C.I.V. shoulder title as a cap badge in the slouch hat. A makers name or any markings on the back might help me more? Personally I lean towards the 104th Foot but nothing definite yet. Here are a couple of pics of Bona Fide 100% City Imperial Volunteers buttons. No prizes for guessing their date... Also your find. |