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« on: October 14, 2015, 07:53:45 PM »
Since we're so on-the-ball this evening perhaps I could ask about this button I also found today?

It's not the usual type we find in these parts - they're usually just a plain flat disc with the corroded remains of a loop on the back.

If it's relevant, it was found in pretty close proximity to a couple of 3/4" musket balls.

* Button 1.jpg (137.83 KB, 843x1015 - viewed 869 times.)

* Button 2.jpg (54.48 KB, 503x754 - viewed 863 times.)
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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2015, 07:59:48 PM »
At a guess,1400's,very nice button indeed,full of history,yum!!!👍
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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2015, 08:01:47 PM »
Wow - that would be nice!
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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2015, 08:04:58 PM »
Looks like a 17th century lead button to me.
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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2015, 08:08:07 PM »
Still nice - still trawling the net. Thanks!
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2015, 08:08:41 PM »
Does lead go rusty? Huh
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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2015, 08:12:14 PM »
Quote from: dingdong on October 14, 2015, 08:08:41 PM
Does lead go rusty? Huh

Not to the best of my knowledge. That's probably mud you're seeing . . .   Wink
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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2015, 08:16:07 PM »
No me old mate,that's definatly rust,I should know i  dig up enough of the stuff LOL!!👍
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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2015, 09:26:14 PM »
Once again I've got to  agree with Dungbeetle the shape of the shank says 17th century lead or more likely pewter.
Chris there aren't really any functional buttons to speak of until the 17th century.
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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2015, 11:45:33 PM »
It could be iron stain on it , try a magnet and I think that you will find it's non-ferrous.
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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2015, 06:07:58 AM »
The two photos show different colours because of the lighting I used.

I tried both angles using a desk lamp fitted with one of those horrible fluorescent bulbs (the only ones you can get these days unless you buy industrial filament bulbs . . .  Wink) but the shot of the front surface wasn't showing enough detail.

I re-shot that with the desk lamp and a multi-LED hand held work lamp shining obliquely across it to pick out the details, which would have altered the colour characteristics of the whole thing.

That's why they came out different colours. If anything the true colour is blackish; closer to that of new lead, which bears out Chef's statement that it's probably pewter - if it had been pure lead it would have been white by now with lead oxide.
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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2015, 06:23:55 AM »
From what I've seen of pewter.it doesn't last in the ground very well, but I've seen decorated spindle whorls with that colouration. Perhaps they added something to the lead ?
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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2015, 07:22:45 AM »
Quote from: Dungbeetle on October 15, 2015, 06:23:55 AM
From what I've seen of pewter.it doesn't last in the ground very well, but I've seen decorated spindle whorls with that colouration. Perhaps they added something to the lead ?
They did......tin Cheesy Lead on its own as a fastener would be a little like a chocolate teapot and would bend and wear away in no time Wink
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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2015, 07:50:44 AM »
Ah ha, one learns something new every day on here!  Wink
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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2015, 08:44:01 AM »
Tin was added to help the flow of the molten lead. Printing plates were made of a mixture of lead, tin and antimony which gave bulk, flow and hardness.
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