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By request, here is the first of what might become a series if there's enough interest.

Here is a hammered penny. Who is the Monarch and what mint is it?

How did you get to your answer - pure guesswork or did you work it out? If so can you explain how you got there?

Some of these pennies are very difficult to ID exactly, but there are some pointers that are fairly easy to pick up if you take the time to look.

Once everybody who wants to has had a stab at it I'll take you through the stages of ID'ing it.

As a start , it's an edward , canterbury mint, be back next week for the rest  ;D

A good start Steve and 100% correct so far ;D

Edwr angli dns hyb, long face

Damn it's hard , will continue tomorrow  ;D

angl

You're getting there Steve, legend not quite right though...

Is it Edward 1st class 5?

Close but no cigar. Anyone else fancy a try?

Thanks to Hedgehog I think this may be right

Edward 1 Canturbury Mint Long cross Penny 1299-1301 AD

Legemd +EDW R ANGL DNS HYB       CIVI TAS CAN TOR  ???  Dave

hi not sure on this but thinks its a , edward 1 ar penny, longcross about class 4b ,
 canterbury mint
  edwa angl dns hyb crowned ,facing bust fleur on crown like class 4a
  civitas can tor

Can't be 4b, face and hair is shorter in that one, portrait looks like 5b, must be something to do with the lettering and the crown then. not easy is it?

na hh its not just went by what i could see in front of me mate the grade was just a guess

Reckon as mentioned in me last post but class 9b take a look? Dave




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I dunno Dave, this one is bugging me , got the long chin and the goggle eyes, perhaps I'm just looking at the wrong things!

Yep  Hedgehog bugging me to, such similarities....lets hope Peterh gives the correct one soon been interesting though ;D Dave

I'll be posting the answer soon unless anyone else wants a go.

hi hh, dave ,and peter what i was looking at was the size of  the legends on peters coin they where full size on daves it was small lettering and i noticed the crown tilting to the left of the fleur on one and to the right on the other
  DES

Here goes:

1. The legend is EDW R' ANGL' DNS HYB. If there is no A after the EDW and only one R then it is always Edward I.

2. The crown has the trifoliate side fleurs (see http://www.detectingwales.com/index.php?topic=3648.0 (http://www.detectingwales.com/index.php?topic=3648.0) for explanation. The trifoliate fleurs generally mean Edward I Classes 1-9

3. The letters E and C are open, usually meaning Classes 1 to 5, although there are a few exceptions.

4. The letter S is of an early type where each letter is made up of 4 separate wedge-shaped punches rather than one whole letter. This identifies it as being Class 1-3e, some 3g or some Class 7.

5. The mint is Canterbury (CIVITAS CANTOR), which issued pennies in all classes EXCEPT 1, 3a, 3e, 6a and 8.

So far, then, it could be Class 2a, 2b, 3b, 3cd, or 3g.

6.The ornaments on the crown are spear-shaped rather than round. This excludes Class 3b.

7.The letter Ns are the right way round. This excludes most of Classes 2a and 2b

So we are left with Class 3cd (which used to be separated into 3c and 3d but are now lumped together) or 3g. Most Class 3g have down-curving outer fleurs, which I think are not present on this coin, so my final conclusion is that this coin is Edward I, Class 3cd ;D


Anyone up for another?

Go on , do your worst  ;D enjoyed that one even if it takes a degree to read the damn thing, we will try and work the next one out together I think.
Great post Peter!

keep it going peter i have learned a lot so far thanks for the postings

Peter - Any chance you could do an explanation on the short cross coins. I have found 3 to date and I am linking them all to Richard the Lionheart due to the 7 pellets on the crown, but I may be miles out.

I know they are hard to distinguish and I bow to your greater wisdom on this.

Thanks
Neil

I also have a interest in shortcross pennies, they are my favourite, any pointers with ID on them would be great Pete.  :)

Thanks all for comments.

Hi Neil and Max - I'll do another Eddie next but I'll look for some nice shortcrosses to do as well.

Know its an eddie but other than that
havent got a clue

well  done peter i;m realy absorbed in all this detail keep them coming i;m sure hh and dave are enjoying them selves