Bristol mint hammereds

[handyman [Alan}]

like mine al with the crosses coming through on head side I think they call it ghosting 

hadn't really thought about it until i read your comment Colin, but now that you mention it, it means  i got to go and read up all about it. 

[Dale]

like mine al with the crosses coming through on head side I think they call it ghosting 

hadn't really thought about it until i read your comment Colin, but now that you mention it, it means  i got to go and read up all about it. 

Your spot on Colin it is called ghosting and trying to find a high grade example with out it is very hard !!
Alan that is a very nice grade penny with strong legends, a unclipped flan, with slight ghosting as Colin pointed out, but its still a very nice Bristol penny...... Thanks for posting your coins lads 

il have a new Bristol arriving tomorrow brought last night, another Henry VIII groat WS mint mark, but a lot better grade than last weeks groat I posted........ will post pic when it. arrives. 

[Dale]

The Henry VIII groat arrived today, what im very pleased with, I tried to take the best photo I can using the poor light iv got

Peter (doc) or probono if you see this post can you give me your thoughts on grade, as its the posthumous issues, and they are usually very poor coins... Thanks 

[probono]

Well, grading is quite a subjective thing.

When I started collecting coins, the dealer I bought from (Dave Ruskin) said that to properly grade a coin you have to see how nice the flan is, how well struck it is, etc, etc - and it doesn't really matter what the general issue is like - you are correct that it is well struck for its issue, but that wouldn't affect the true grade (it just means that for coins of this type the better grades are that much more expensive - check the various values for tin coins for instance)

So - It's got a good portrait, but it isn't super sharp - the legend is mostly clear, but there are flat areas of striking and there is some edge loss. On the reverse again mostly well struck, but there are areas of weakness and some corrosion.

Spink (who I find at times very cautious in grading) would probably say GF+ (maybe even nVF), whilst mentioning the problems, whereas eBay would probably say EF and someone like CNG might say VF(ish) - although maybe mentioning some of the porosity and saying that it was possible 'as struck' except for the edge nibbling.

Hope that provides some insight into how I might possible approach grading something. All I can say is that most things are over-graded and I thought I knew what uncirculated was until I actually got to see proper uncirculated coins - and that then adjusted my perception of the other grades.

[colin]

my first ever hammered dale was edward 1st penny on a farm just 2 miles from my house and this has the crosses coming through on the bust 

[Dale]

You got some good points there probono, as you say the issue should not make a difference in grading but it always does for the debased coins, there is a lot to take into account, the quality of metal, its easily chipped, poor for striking, and as you say they corrode a lot easier ....... its far from the fine silver coinage, where VF plus groats are easily obtained

Thanks for your reply  

[jayhay69]

heres mine

[probono]

You got some good points there probono, as you say the issue should not make a difference in grading but it always does for the debased coins, there is a lot to take into account, the quality of metal, its easily chipped, poor for striking, and as you say they corrode a lot easier ....... its far from the fine silver coinage, where VF plus groats are easily obtained

Thanks for your reply  

Ture - VF groats for the fine silver are easy to obtain, so their relatives values are lower.

I always remember someone telling me a story about an old lady who took a worn Geo III penny to the museum to have it valued. When told it was worth very little because of it's condition she replied ' we'll you'd look like that if you were that old'.... I suppose it's as my mentor said 'you can't call a coin VF if there's bit's missing, only that there are 'VF details' (should point out that I wouldn't be complaining if I had bought the groat you had ).

[willow tree]

Thought you might like to see this beauty found at the D.W rally in Penmark 2011, Edward 1 Bristol mint Class 3g, cheers Chris

[colin]

lovely coin willow tree i think you mean penmark
 

[Dale]

What a great detecting find willow tree !! that penny is as good as any in my collection, if not better

[Dale]

(should point out that I wouldn't be complaining if I had bought the groat you had ).

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Probono the price I got this coin for was a absolute give away, off Ebay, buy now or make offer, I never wasted anytime making offers 

[Dale]

I went to a coin fair today and added a few more local coins to the collection,
Iv did pretty well lately with getting new coins most being gap fillers, but a few better grade ones.
The Henry III penny is the 2nd rarest one, moneyer Henri, a nice grade with a possible striking crack.

The square coin is a Bristol farthing, I think is dated to about 1551, I now need one more to complete the collection, with the very rare left sailing ship.

The last being a Dobunni Celtic unit (silver base) I haven't looked up the type yet, its not the best shot, but its has some nice detail

[diggaduff]

Cracking coins 

[the-BANGOR-citizan]

That Bristol Farthing is very nice. Nice coins.