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Author Topic: lead token/weigt/seal thing.??  (Read 2362 times)
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« on: September 23, 2009, 10:53:49 PM »

i found this peoce of lead in a patch where i find stuff from 1800, any idea what it is? its about the size of a 2p, has a cross, four stars and a anchour with some letters round the side one one side, and some weird markings on the other. ists damaged as far as i can tell. but any ideas please.
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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2009, 12:43:05 AM »

Looks like a cloth seal...

Photo below is a Haarlem cloth seal ... similar Huh

Lead seals such as cloth seals and bale seals were widely used in Europe between the 13th and 19th centuries as a means of identification and as a component of regulation and quality control. Cloth seals appear to be the most
thoroughly documented type of seal. Cloth seals were typically two disc seals joined by a connecting strip. These were intended to be folded around each side of a textile and stamped closed, in a manner similar to that in which coins
were stamped.

Bale disc seals, were single disc sealsrather than two disc seals, and were
also used to identify textiles, as well as parcels and bales of trade goods. The obverse would typically display a city's arms, and the reverse would record data such as the length or width of fabric or the weight of a parcel.

Design Elements of the Haarlem Lead Bale Seal:
Obverse: Within a shield frame sometimes referred to as "bouche" style, a centered sword blade points upwards to a cross. Three visible stars located at approximate positions of 1.5 o'clock, 3.5 o'clock, and 10.5 o'clock frame the
sword blade, suggesting a fourth star would be located at the 7.5 o'clock position,
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2009, 10:35:37 AM »

wow awsome, that was quick, thats definatley right, so its from a bale from america, harlem-america right.
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2009, 01:01:13 PM »

LOL

Not Harlem .... HAARLEM as in the Netherlands .. it appears to be a Dutch cloth or bale seal
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2009, 01:21:23 PM »

Nice find Kaister , cracking id there Malcomn
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2009, 02:18:52 PM »

thanks alot guys  Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2009, 03:09:52 PM »

nice find and a good i.d
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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2009, 03:56:43 PM »

very impressed by the id...but may i ask what would this item have been used for ?
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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2009, 08:33:27 PM »

its seams that they heat up 2 discs of lead and put on either side of the cloth then squeez them, becuse ink would have run when they got damp i think. The bit marked with the 20 is the smaller bit, hard to make out from the pics.
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