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Title: Gold item for ID. Post by: trys on April 03, 2009, 12:45:28 PM Hi all, I would like your thoughts on this Item that I found on monday. When i found it I thought bottle top or foil, but last night i cleared out my finds pouch I began to think otherwise!! It's heavy for it's size and i'm convinced of it being gold. I have posted on another forum and I have had a few responses some suggesting saxon but I think it's unlikely over here. Any ideas?
Cheers Trys Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: Tafflaff (Rob) on April 03, 2009, 12:52:47 PM looks like a pendant, maybe there some type of stone set in the middle
Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: The Doc on April 03, 2009, 02:54:12 PM A fascinating find trys - well done.
Certainly looks like gold and of considerable age - may turn out to be undateable though if there is no decoration to give any clues - could be Bronze Age I suppose? Will need to be declared as possible Treasure. Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: hedgehog on April 03, 2009, 03:31:56 PM Looks like it's your year this year Trys, plain as it is it's a fantastic find, looks like it's treasure trove. The wire around the outside may be the best clue, I can see why they are saying saxon.
Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: trys on April 03, 2009, 04:15:09 PM Cheers guys, Have just sent some pics to mark lodwick so i'll have to wait to see what he thinks. It's a shame it's damaged. Really hope its of importance!
Cheers Trys Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: waltonbasinman on April 03, 2009, 04:22:35 PM Treasure trove it mate now its been posted cos you know the archies are watching. I would agree with Peter h as i think it looks Bronze Age.
Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: Neil on April 03, 2009, 05:48:01 PM Cracking find - my immediate though was "ooh that a bit of Saxon Gold there!"
I have just had a quick look at Nigel Mills Saxon & Viking Artefacts book and the item in the bottom right is rather similar in my opinion! Hope this helps you! Keep the site informed about how it goes Trys! Well Done Neil Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: Neil on April 03, 2009, 05:52:54 PM Close up and worth a few quid Trys in this form - not sure what it would be worth in its current shape - but if it is what it pertanes to be then Welcome To The DetectingWales.com Treasure Club!
PM me if you want the value range. Was it a Welsh find? If so then we are really hitting the Saxon lately! Cheers Neil Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: Neil on April 03, 2009, 06:11:39 PM Granted its not identical, but damn similar!
The comparison points include: The stone in the centre (your is missing - try sieving the hole) The beading (trim) around the outside. The overall shape. The colour. The size. In my minds eye I imgine it being ripped from someones neck in battle and that is why the suspension loop is missing. Nice to dream, eh? It better not be a bloody bottle top now - can we see the reverse please? Hope this all helps Neil Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: trys on April 03, 2009, 06:45:42 PM Hi Neil thanks for all the pics and comparisons. I've heard back from mark- his initial thought is that it's bronze age! a biconical bead which would make sense as it is made from two thin sheets of gold which have collapsed through time, but until he has examined it I guess all options should be kept open.
If it does turn out to be a bottle top then i'll eat my detector!! :o :o :o ;D Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: james2nd on April 03, 2009, 10:12:54 PM Well done Trys! you cant keep a good man down,he just keeps popping up with good finds.
Jim&Al Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: Gadget(Ian) on April 04, 2009, 08:41:49 AM i would agree with paul and Treasure trove it cant be to carefull as sombody may be watching. :)
Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: Richy on April 04, 2009, 08:52:47 AM Fantastic find trys, I wouldn't tell Mark his job but I think Neil has got it spot on. Well done mate. :) :)
Richy. Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: mickycoin "mick" on April 04, 2009, 09:28:20 AM hi trys great find, i think the identification is also spot on, just goes to show how well this forum is working together, proud to be part of it mick
Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: Chef Geoff on April 04, 2009, 01:58:28 PM lovely find Trys you just have to go back and find the missing piece.
PS, if it does turn out to be a bottle top and you do eat your detector, please feel free to pm me for a good sauce and vegetable accompaniment. Chef Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: trys on April 04, 2009, 08:51:52 PM Thanks all, Wont be able to get back on to the site for a while as the crop is coming up. Will keep you all informed as to what it turns out to be. Have been looking at images of saxon disc pendants, and it does look very similar! Does anyone know if saxon gold ever been found in wales?
Geoff, I really hope it won't get to that but will keep it in mind! Cheers Trys Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: 1morecoin on April 05, 2009, 07:37:33 PM i think Bronze Age,there are very similar items on display in Cardiff Museum which are dated to the Bronze Age.
Steve. Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: onehorseAl( Al) on April 06, 2009, 09:24:28 AM Dream find Trys.
Al Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: hedgehog on April 06, 2009, 12:37:23 PM Be interesting to see what the outcome is , the Romans made something similar too! Scroll down it's about the seventh item on the link!
http://www.spiral.org.uk/acatalog/Spiral_Virtual_Shop_Genuine_Antiquities_and_Historical_Artefacts_96.html (http://www.spiral.org.uk/acatalog/Spiral_Virtual_Shop_Genuine_Antiquities_and_Historical_Artefacts_96.html) Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: simon c on April 06, 2009, 05:29:12 PM Outstanding find Trys,would think Bronze age or Roman,but could be saxon would be somthing if it was . :)
Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: trys on April 07, 2009, 05:32:19 PM Hi all, thanks for all your comments! Bit of an update - have had another ID from Mark Lodwick, and he's spot on with this one! It's a late bronze age (ewart park stage) lock ring 950-750bc. Mark only knows of another 3 found in wales and they are thought to be of irish origin. Well chuffed!! Here is a link to a complete one ;D
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.unc.edu/celtic/images/216750.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.unc.edu/celtic/images/216750.html&usg=__iJlbHnM1B5gotbc0aCZFCtcdIqk=&h=300&w=418&sz=113&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=bCJ3O0-u1IOBNM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=125&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbronze%2Bage%2Block%2Bring%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG (http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.unc.edu/celtic/images/216750.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.unc.edu/celtic/images/216750.html&usg=__iJlbHnM1B5gotbc0aCZFCtcdIqk=&h=300&w=418&sz=113&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=bCJ3O0-u1IOBNM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=125&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbronze%2Bage%2Block%2Bring%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG) Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: Neil on April 07, 2009, 05:37:12 PM Outstanding Trys - that a piece of damn old Gold you have there - I bet you cant wait to get back on site. I bet Mark was excited about it as well.
Congratulations mate - really pleased for you. Its another first for the site as well - a DetectingWales member turning up Bronze Age gold gold lock ring. How would it have been worn - did Mark say? Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: trys on April 07, 2009, 06:28:11 PM Hi Neil, The crop has come up on that field so won't be able to get back until the autumn unfortunately :(
It would have been worn in the hair hence the gap to slide around the hair. Makes you wonder who lost it, was it a man or woman and were they of importance and how did it get there! This is my first bit of treasure and also the oldest thing by far that i've found - previously a shortcross penny of Richard 1st. Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: Richy on April 07, 2009, 09:12:12 PM Hey great stuff Trys, bet your over the moon mate, you deserve to be.
Me? I'm as jealous as hell! lol. Richy. Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: hedgehog on April 08, 2009, 11:06:29 AM Well done Trys , nice to get a quick i.d. What a find! :o
Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: simon c on April 08, 2009, 05:13:29 PM Well done Trys,excellent result. :)
Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: Tafflaff (Rob) on April 08, 2009, 08:31:20 PM Is it treasure are they going to take it off you>?
Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: simon c on April 08, 2009, 09:46:08 PM Is it treasure are they going to take it off you>? Yes Rob,Definately Treasure,and will more than likely be claimed as treasure. Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: Neil on April 08, 2009, 10:15:59 PM I can assure you Rob - its gone! Cracking find all the same.
Neil Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: trys on April 08, 2009, 11:09:54 PM Yeah in process of reporting it a treasure - my first in 8 years detecting!
Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: ROMAN STEVE on June 15, 2009, 06:10:25 PM Very nice well done
Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: James on June 15, 2009, 06:58:40 PM what an amazing find!!!! welldone ;)
Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: taffyphil on June 15, 2009, 07:03:39 PM what a find well done :)
Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: DIGGA on June 15, 2009, 09:27:03 PM nice find trys as someone has said before if you know exactly where you found it go back with a sieve and go through the dirt ,,,,, chances are the center stone may well still be there ??? ???
Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: the sutt on June 15, 2009, 09:51:04 PM that is one hell of a find well done to you.
Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: mole on June 15, 2009, 10:03:19 PM Very nice find Trys :o bronze age gold is like hens teeth ::) ::)mole
Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: zorro on February 26, 2010, 10:23:24 AM absolute beauty. this should be in our database i think
Title: Re: Gold item for ID. Post by: The Doc on February 27, 2010, 01:14:27 AM In the news yesterday:
http://www.westerntelegraph.co.uk/news/5029623.Ring_found_in_north_Pembrokeshire_field_declared_treasure/ (http://www.westerntelegraph.co.uk/news/5029623.Ring_found_in_north_Pembrokeshire_field_declared_treasure/) |