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Hi all,

Some of you may remember us from Cardiff Scan Club where we had to sell our detectors (recession).  We are now looking for a reasonably priced machine, preferably the ex2 or se.  Hope to hear from you soon.

Cheers

Paul an Lisa

HELLO PAUL ;D ;D ;D ;D its KEV from blackwood m8,glad to see you on here ,welcome to DETECTINGWALES.COM you will enjoy it on here  ;) hope you get some luck on the detectors  ;) ;)

Hiya Kev,

As you can see we are on the look out for ideally ex11 .  Trying to work out how to send pms cos it keeps saying type in the code of the image above? what image lol

paul iv just sent you a PM m8 click on your messages  ;)

Kev,

Tried that mate tried everything, I keep typing in the code and press send and it just dont send, then have to retype code.  Been looking at it all ways.

did you get my PM !! if so just answer back ??? ::)

yes have pressed replied, have clicked on your name have tried every bloody thing, goes to messages has your name in box, subject etc I write my reply it says type in the code from the image above (i do this) click on send and I m back at the begining

And there's one for sale, It must be your lucky day.  ::)LOL ::)

the se is better though lol, really dont know whether to hold on and raise more for an se/ex11 as i know how to use them. been looking at loads of machines tonight brains overloading lol

Paul / Lisa nice to have you back,  we never foegot you,  you have been brought a number of times,   see you on one of the rallies when you get MD'S ;D
Terry   ex Scan club

hi terry, nice to be back, hopefully wont be to long before we sort something out with a machine, really torn at the moment whether to get a high end machine for Lisa and me be shovel carrier for a while till i can get one also or get two mid range machines. my biggest problem is after using the se and getting so used to it i will always be wondering am i missing something with a lesser machine. arrrgh decisions lol

To honest I would go for a high ender and save for another, it would probably be cheaper in the long run. there seems to be lots of Goldmaxxx power's coming up on flea bay at the moment, probably becaus of the new Deus.

I know what you mean,   I had a whites for the first year, then   a minelab ex 11, I sold that for family reasons , bought another minelab ex 11, sold that to go back to my old hobby,  then came back and bought another minelab ex 11,  only because I was used to it,   tough decision
Terry

Paul/Lisa wrote "my biggest problem is after using the se and getting so used to it i will always be wondering am i missing something with a lesser machine. arrrgh decisions lol "..

And that is the thing that will haunt you ,as long as you use a lesser detector Than a Minelab .  My SE Pro`s waiting for a good owner . Under12 months Olde and as good as  when it was bought new. Make me an offer  of around £600 and it could be back to an SE for you, BUT with the added bonus of it becomming a"  Pro " instead. see the detectors for sale ads ;D. I`m more than willing to discuss a price that is favorable to both parties.

yes I understand what you are saying, I dont want to open a can of worms here but when we had the SE and the ex11 I set them up with the sef coil and TBH there wernt that much difference in the machines both were brilliant. If I really had a choice I would get an ex11 plus a sef plus decent headphones and still get change from £600. Dont get me wrong I loved the SE but when ex11s are £2-£300 cheaper then u got to ask youself is it worth the extra. On top of that do I want to pay extra again to have pro written in red. Trouble I got is its for the wife and at the moment I think she would buy a broom handle as long as it had a coil on the end of it she,s driving me up the wall lol. (Why oh why couldnt she have enjoyed fishing) lol

I think you`d find the SE pro is more than just a red name on the controll box.
It has a LOT MORE going for it than the std SE had. Read the spec in my ad on the for sale section that differs from the SE Pro to the SE.  The Pro coil makes a big difference for starters. ;D

Hi Jeb I have sent you a pm. On the one hand she,s going to kill me, then again it is for her so maybe just maybe I will be forgiven. I doubt it mind lol

xs is the best for money so stop wasting money buy one find and sell a few hundred quids worth of finds and buy a new se if you want.
xs £350 approx on the bay

Hi richard long time no see.I agree with you about the SE/pro but in my view the ex11 with a SEF fitted is just as good cant comment on the xs as I havnt had one. But for the money difference between the ex11 and an SE or the PRo then yes I see your point cant see how minelab justify the extra price and now of course theres the E trac lot of money but that much better?

i most agree with you rich the xs is the better detector has you know i had a new ex11 and could not wait to sell it not a patch on the xs and you can pick them up for £200 to £300 second hand and i think ive proved that over the last year  :-\ the xs with the pro coil is a winner ;)

I agree with Phil, I had the XS, EXP II and SE and to be honest found very little difference if any with the performance, apart from the build quality of course.
You can get the plastic upgraded on the XS to EXP II spec for a few quid which I personaly think is a good idea, then fit the Pro Coil and you are sorted.

Steve.   

It all depends though dont it ? Personally I think the SE is better than th ex11 but its not £3 to £400 better if you use the same sort of settings as you did the ex11 then there is no differnce. What I liked on the Se over the ex11 was the pitch hold which on a beach or pasture really improved finds, Out of the three I still say the ex11 fitted with a SEf coil was the best deal, but I do like the pitch hold

minelab are pretty good at their sales hype  ::)

I doubt any of the explorer range to e.trac are different other than in looks and sounds, and probably worse still all have the same processor. Minelab refuse to discuss or answer any question as to what processor's are in their respective models  ;)

When you listen to the older generation who used the first explorers and those that still use them, they still are the bees knees  ;D  My personal opinion for what it is worth, that all minelab are doing with following models up to e.trac, is basically expanding the settings and sounds. The actual spec stays the same, though the looks differ.

Minelab moved forward in bringing out the pro coil.

Dont get me wrong, I use an se pro and will not part with it, if the goodies lie beneath the coil, i will find it  ;D

Thats like saying a ford focus is the same as a cortina? still got 4 wheels an engine and a boot. Minelab are very good with their sales pitch i dont dispute that but you got to agree that they are a good machine as far as depth goes. I guess they should be renamed Marmite you either love em or hate them

yer ok but and the big but is that the se and the ex11 are so much slower on iron recovery than the xs thats why i go for xs every time on the ex11 there are two read out one being digital and the other the conduct read out on one screen so it takes twice as long and makes so slow to recover bear in mind this is my veiw on it  :-\ you think about it makes sence hope this helps  ;)

Think you mean smart screen  or digital? dont take this the wrong way but you are either in one or the other not both the same time, and then you still have the option of fast or deep in either one

What Phil means is that there are two sets of numbers on the EX II and SE compared to the one set on the XS, these numbers cover the conductivity and ferrous decay rate of the target, the XS has just one set of numbers which is asigned to a particular type of conductive target, which means the EX II and SE machines have two sets of numbers to process from one target which slows the recovery speed down, which could mean missed targets.

Steve.

thanks for that steve they knew what i ment just didnot explain it that way  :P and of corse with my program which if you do get a xs paul/lisa i am more than willing to give it to you  ;)

phil dont give the secret away man they will all be pulling up the goodies lol
good program that finds stuff and the sound helps to gain on iffy signals they are heard easier.
works with exp 2 also.

Phill if I knew what you meant then I wouldnt have queried it, Im not getting into a slanging match over a piece of machinery i got better things to do. If you prefer the xs then fine no problem i prefer the ex11 end of.  I could go on but cant be arsed

ok guys keep your hat on it wasnot ment to sound like that  ??? just trying to help if you like the ex11 then fair play to you if you still want the program to go into the ex11 then no worries it works in the ex11 aswell they are the same detectors no slanging match from me when you get one just pm me and ill pm it to you  ;)

Thats the only problem I find with (text speak) you never know how its sounding, whether its meant in jest or otherwise. So if i sounded a bit off then my apologies. As for the prog I think I got it lol.

ok paul/lisa no need for the sorrys you did nout wrong just got hour wires crossed  :o  if you got the program of mr fox then it is all wrong as i gave it to him and he messed it up and then give it to most of the guys and i have at to put it right for them  >:( i have been useing one now for 7 years and as you know when you use something for a long time you get to know it inside out and get the best out of it all the best (phil)

if everyone just bought a fisher f75 switch on and go,simplicity in itself .this detector is in my eyes the best for finds .

T2 is better colin same detector but dont fall apart like the fisher  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

hi phil bought mine two years ago not had a problem with it still as sound as ever

just jokeing mate  :D they are good detectors and the t2 getting one after chrismas but dont think as deep as the explorer but much much better on recovery and as light as a feather  ;)

This pitch hold, i tried it a few times and found it difficult to understand what was going on, any chance you could explain pitch hold for me please for a dummy like me  ;D

Pich hold is difficult to get your head round and use it on clean sites or beach. What it does is (this is going to be hard to describe)  you have your threshold set to a nice hum now imagine you are going along and at the end of ur sweep there is  say a silver coin but ur coil aint directly over it (cos its at the end of ur sweep)  well the machine just catches it enough for the threshold tone to change to the sound you get for silver and it stays at that tone untill u go over another target  So say im on a beach  and  Im going along if that tone changes  (specially a good tone) then I know ive just past something so i can re check to see what target it was. As I said the target hasnt got to be directly over the coil but in the vicinity of it to change the tone.
Very hard to explain but on the beach or on clean pasture I find it excellent but does take getting used to

I normally tect in conduct do you still keep the same settings as normally, or is it a totally different set up  ;D

I must practice and have a little more patience !

These options is one of the reasons why i stay with the se pro, there are still after a few years of use things to learn and play with. Peeps who continually cvhange their machines, amaze me, not giving themselves or their tectors a chance

Yes stay in conduct, obviously its entirely up to you but I find conduct better. If you have good headphones with volume control then it makes life 10 times easier. What I tend do do is use a general all round programe like 1066  to start off and if im strugling then i max it up on the various settings noisy but once you get used to it finds do increase

Just had a thought why dont you download the SE emulater off the minelab owners site. That way you can change the settings on the PC and experiment with it, you can download different zip files also like british coins etc

have anyone used tony hunts program for the explorer 2 on pasture land

Hi Viv the 1066 programe is Tony Hunts its as he says a good all rounder only difference I make is use conduct not ferrous

Yes same here, i also use conduct (as Tony does now)  so drop your threshold tone to 1 and as you are on deep pasture up your gain to 10.

paul/lisa/geoff,thanks for that, its nice to know some one else have used it,i have only tried the expl 2 four times totally different  to the sovereign,its the advice and help on this site that really gives one the boost to keep at it,again thanks

I know the feeling Viv, I moved over to the Etrac in  February after 12 years using sovereigns and I nearly sent it back, but after only a couple of months it all started to fit into place, As Paul/Lisa has said, download the emulator if you haven't already done so. It wont take the place of learning in the field but it gives you an idea of how the machine responds.
any problems just shout.

thanks again geoff,i agree i was of the same mind, i think we were spoilt with the sovereign a bit but has you said i'll play with,on computers i'm a chalk and slate man, my son and grandchildren are the geeks,thanks

Paul & Lisa, i use settings that Neil Jones alias slow an low gave me a few years back,

i dont have gain set at 10, its too noisy and there isnt any need, i use 7, occasionally on a very undecided and quiet low tone will increase gain to 8, never or very rare,would i go higher.

Though after chrissy when sun comes out will experiment on pasture if its quiet and lacking targets try 10, if you speak to des dun, he wouldnt agree with 10 either.

I find sens set at between 24 - 27 is adequate it'll still find targets at 14" + obviously dependant on size and quality of metal.

the emulator excels because you can practice changing settings / programmes without mucking up your own, or practice before you change your own  ;D

I dont put my gain at 10 ?

apologies paul,

it was chef geoff he said it in his post  ;D

i assume you agree 10 gain is far to high ?

No probs lol yeah 10 is to high 7 or 8 is about right I would say

Hi Generally I run at 8 on the gain, but when on old pasture were finds are deep then I crank it up to 10 to give me a fighting chance on faint signals, other times I just try and run it hot. The beauty of the explorer range is that you can (and should) adapt it to each site you are on. If you can usually run sens at 24-27 then you are doing well and lucky with soil conditions as I can only get 22 over here.
Gain has little effect on performance other than making all signals sound the same, so it can't be to low or to high.

Gain dosnt make everything sound the same  it  amplifies the signal so the fainter signals are easier to hear, but the higher you set the gain the more it amplifies the signal but you lose the feeling of depth with it. Other than that i agree with what you say about tweeking the machine to suit your own needs. Just wondering  Jeff have you used the SEF coil with your explorer? I got to be honest I found it much better than the slimline stock coil and I still get more with a Sef than the new pro coil.

Sorry that s what i meant, it bring all signals up to the same level so they sound the same in volume.
Yes I have the 12x15 SEF which does do the business on pasture and the beach, I have the Pro coil as standard. I did try the 10X12 SEF on the Etrac but couldn't see it made any difference and was a bit heavier.

I've not used the sef coils on my se pro, is there any need to change to sef ?

reading on other forums, generally most see the pro coil as suffice.

Sorry if i mis read your posts. Too much gain can introduce a lot more ground noise, at the end of the day  we all are different and our ears differ too, but you are right,

one has to decide what settings work for the ground you detect on, increase gain is an option as geoff has said on faint signals

This is the beauty of the explorer range, there are a lot of options to play with  ;D

I have found that the 12x15 SEF will give you an extra few inches which I find handy on Pasture. but for all around detecting the Pro coil is the best standard coil I have used on any machine.

great reading from everyone,again thats what makes this site the best, people talk about their different experiences and it gives new people to the hobby the help not to give up to quickly,i was looking at the 8x6 sef coil for pinpoint and weight

In my opinion the SEF beats all the other coils hands down this of course is just my opinion. The reason behind it is as follows, When I first had the SE I went through 3 slimline coils with minelab but it still kept falsing this only happened in the smart screen even if i discd everything and lowered my sense down to 15. Though in iron mask even with the screen wide open and sense at 27 it didnt happen, starnge. Anyway in the end I bought a SEF coil  and I could run that at 32 most places and none of the probs, I have the new pro coil now and its good but still cant run it as high as the SEF (tried it out with a mate) his was stable at 30 pro only 27 which is enough I know but just saying why I prefer the SEF. If I had the money I would get one next week

I know what you mean Paul, I remember swapping from the WOT coil to the SEF on the sovereign and couldn't believe how stable it was, But, the Sensitivity meter on the Explorer range is in fact only telling you how much power is being sent to the coil and not what the coil is doing with it. The simple fact of having a sensitive coil is I'm afraid going to make it sensitive to any and all bits of dross that it passes over (that's the trade off). So I'm not convinced that the pro is any different to the 10X12 SEF.
The upgrade to the SEF from the old slimline coil was the right decision, the slimline apart from it's obvious manufacturing problems was an awful coil and most would shine in comparison.